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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:07
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Even worse, it was a flat tire
So LeoTard uses flat tires to battle their opponents |
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:10
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Yeha don't say anything about Rabobank rider particulary dutch one.
Or the you'll receive a fucking rant because you're the moron and everything. |
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| rycadinho |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:10
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ruben wrote:
Even worse, it was a flat tire
So LeoTard uses flat tires to battle their opponents
Yeah, and we all know how they would react if either one of the Schleck brothers would have a mechanical problem and there opponents take advantage of that ... *cough cough.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:12
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The entire peloton waited when Andy was down minutes in last years Tour, that already shouldn't have happened.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:13
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ruben wrote:
Even worse, it was a flat tire
So LeoTard uses flat tires to battle their opponents
Remember you can use an opponent flat tire for your advantage, but never a fall or a dropped chain. It's written in the Good Sportsman Rules.  |
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| Andro |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:16
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I like how ruben hates Leopard for something that happened before Leopard even existed. Oh well, ruben gonna ruben. Everybody not dutch is a retard. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:16
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Leopard doesn't follow any good sportman rules |
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| shin0da_13 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:34
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ruben wrote:
The entire peloton waited when Andy was down minutes in last years Tour, that already shouldn't have happened.
Well, there were other circumstances (oil on the road if i remember right) and it wasn't just Andy who was caught behind. And you really can't blame him or his team for accelerating when someone has a mechanical problem. For fucks sake, he lost a tour for this reason. |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:37
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Leopard did the pace before (with Garmin) so of course they didn´t stop when Mollema was dropped. They might have pushed the pace even further when Mollema was back but i doubt Rabobank would have act different.
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:49
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shin0da_13 wrote:
ruben wrote:
The entire peloton waited when Andy was down minutes in last years Tour, that already shouldn't have happened.
Well, there were other circumstances (oil on the road if i remember right) and it wasn't just Andy who was caught behind. And you really can't blame him or his team for accelerating when someone has a mechanical problem. For fucks sake, he lost a tour for this reason.
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:52
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Alberto Contador was dropped in the Roubaix stage thanks to F.Schleck falling. So that was just even steven |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 17:55
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shin0da_13 wrote:
ruben wrote:
The entire peloton waited when Andy was down minutes in last years Tour, that already shouldn't have happened.
Well, there were other circumstances (oil on the road if i remember right) and it wasn't just Andy who was caught behind. And you really can't blame him or his team for accelerating when someone has a mechanical problem. For fucks sake, he lost a tour for this reason.
And I quote Schleck from the day of "chaingate": "I would never have done something like that". He is holding himself and his team to a high moral ground, something that the team didn't live up to today. But then again, I wouldn't really expect him to live up to it.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 18-06-2011 18:46
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The question is: did Leopard know that Mollema had a puncture. If so, that's very pathetic of Leopard to go full gass. Then again, there is no such rule saying that they're obliged to wait for him. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 18-06-2011 18:52
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ruben wrote:
Even worse, it was a flat tire
So LeoTard uses flat tires to battle their opponents
Ehm, so Leopard and Garmin had stopped pacing only because Mollema was dropped/had a mechanic problem after they were already pacing for some time? 
And TdF 2010, Stage 2, everybody in front waited for Contador, Armstrong and co. - yeah, maybe except of Gesink and Menchov. And then, they waited for Schlecks and some other riders. There was some oil or something like that on the road and almost everybody went down so I think it was ok to wait for most of the riders who weren't injured or were near back of the peloton.
And Stage 4.
They were pacing for some time like today. When F Schleck falled down, it was pretty clear that he coulnd't continue in the race. Why they had stopped pacing when they lost their leader? I think there was no reason to do it. And using of problems of others? I think the biggest name who had problems on that stage was from Saxo Bank..
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 18:59
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Sorry but i don't think they knew about the problems that mollema had ! Also the other teams like garmin drove fullgas. And when men like leipheimer, Cunego.. would have had teammates they would have also tell them to go fullgas. Leopard has the strongest team and I hope they can show that also at the Tour de France. The people who attack the Leopard Trek team are just jealous and poor !!!!! We will see at the Tour de France |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:09
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Wilier wrote:
The question is: did Leopard know that Mollema had a puncture. If so, that's very pathetic of Leopard to go full gass. Then again, there is no such rule saying that they're obliged to wait for him.
The thing is, I think they acted correctly increasing the pace when they saw Mollema dropped. Just like Clentie acted correctly when he didn't stop when he saw Candy dropping his chain. What pisses me off is the hypocrisy of those guys, nothing else. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:12
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Yep, no rules to wait for someone if they have a mechanical or fall, but if you don't wait for others stop shouting that you lost a TdF because of that, which you actually didn't to begin with.
And Roman, you're right they had to wait for the others in the neutralized stage because basically all the favorites were there. But then in the cobbled stage when again almost all the favorites were caught behind because of Schleck's crash, Cancellara started pushing harder and harder.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:22
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Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
Even worse, it was a flat tire
So LeoTard uses flat tires to battle their opponents
Ehm, so Leopard and Garmin had stopped pacing only because Mollema was dropped/had a mechanic problem after they were already pacing for some time?
So you're saying it's ok to pace after one of the gc guys has a puncture, just because they were pacing before? There's a thing called sportsmanship, you know.
And TdF 2010, Stage 2, everybody in front waited for Contador, Armstrong and co. - yeah, maybe except of Gesink and Menchov. And then, they waited for Schlecks and some other riders. There was some oil or something like that on the road and almost everybody went down so I think it was ok to wait for most of the riders who weren't injured or were near back of the peloton.
I agree with you there. It was ok to neutralize the stage because of circumstances.
And Stage 4.
They were pacing for some time like today. When F Schleck falled down, it was pretty clear that he coulnd't continue in the race. Why they had stopped pacing when they lost their leader? I think there was no reason to do it. And using of problems of others? I think the biggest name who had problems on that stage was from Saxo Bank..
To me, A.Schleck was without a doubt already Saxo Bank leader to begin with, so why would they stop? I highly doubt that they knew right away that F.Schleck would be unable to continue. Furthermore, F.Schleck's crash conveniently held up all other GC contenders and I'm pretty sure A.Schleck knew that damn well. It seems to me that they think sportsmanship is only required when Leopard (which contains about half of Saxo Bank of last year) can profit from it.
But, like I said in my previous post. There are no rules on 'sportmanship' so I'm not really angry at Leopard. Only very dissapointed for Mollema and I dislike Leopard/Schleck's hypocrisy when it comes to sportmanship.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:29
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Willier: Fränk had just won the TdS and was in incredible good shape. If he just crashed and were able to race again i am pretty damn sure that they waited if they knew that Contador was in A. Schlecks weel. If Fränk could continue and Contador wasn't in A. Schlecks weel they would continue for sure, yes.
Im convinced that they'd rather wait for Fränk, if Contador not was dropped, and still have the opportunities to use Fränk as a joker in the GC than eliminate Samu, Menchov and Rodriguez. It could fx. had been on the Pailheres or the climbs before Madeleine.
They continued cause they knew Contador sat in their wheel and because they knew that Fränk was badly hurt. That's my opinion.
Edited by Riis123 on 18-06-2011 19:31
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| Zanci93 |
Posted on 18-06-2011 19:37
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But, like I said in my previous post. There are no rules on 'sportmanship' so I'm not really angry at Leopard. Only very dissapointed for Mollema and I dislike Leopard/Schleck's hypocrisy when it comes to sportmanship.
Yes but at this point you can see that everybody has his favourite team/rider. I don't think that only Leopard Trek has his own opinion of sportsmanship. It's also human that you try to justify every situation as it's good for you. I'm simply annoyed by all this "against Leopard Trek" !! |
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