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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-01-2015 17:39
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Well, the ACC stat is about the acceleration(of the attacks). Contador's acceleration is just excellent and faster than Froome. 
Edited by Jesleyh on 27-01-2015 17:40
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 17:52
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Jesleyh wrote:
Well, the ACC stat is about the acceleration(of the attacks). Contador's acceleration is just excellent and faster than Froome.
But he hasn't proved it that his acceleration is faster lately while when froome make an attack you know more than one cyclist will suffer in a climb and like I said the tour 2013 and the criterium du dauphine is good examples, during the tour nobody was able to follow froome. During the criterium only contador was able to follow the attacks but he said at the end of the stage he was in the red. I don't think a guy like contador would be in the red if froome acc wasn't fast and excellent. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 17:59
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As off late, Froomes attacks havent been as explosive as some remember them before to be (apart from the Dauphine, but Contador was able to match him there), they have been more steady pacelifting or whatever you wanna call it. Contador having a higher acc stat than Froome (and also the other mentioned) is completely justified I feel, because when he is at 100%, his accelerations are just evil. Its not like Valverde has a higher acceleration either, he is just plain faster than Contador in a sprint, but thats not what the acc-stat is about |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 18:05
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Riis123 wrote:
As off late, Froomes attacks havent been as explosive as some remember them before to be (apart from the Dauphine, but Contador was able to match him there), they have been more steady pacelifting or whatever you wanna call it. Contador having a higher acc stat than Froome (and also the other mentioned) is completely justified I feel, because when he is at 100%, his accelerations are just evil. Its not like Valverde has a higher acceleration either, he is just plain faster than Contador in a sprint, but thats not what the acc-stat is about
In all PCM daily DB his ACC is always 75 so why do you say as off late his attacks haven't been explosive ?
If his ACC was 77 before I could understand but his ACC always the same so it shows that there's no change. Even if his attacks were more explosive than contador he would be 75 |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 18:15
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I havent seen the stats, but I dont agree with that either, Froome should imo be higher than that as he can explode when not hindered by sickness, bad shape etc, but I still think Contador should be 1-2 higher than Froome. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 27-01-2015 18:52
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fidjim2013 wrote:
In all PCM daily DB his ACC is always 75 so why do you say as off late his attacks haven't been explosive ?
If his ACC was 77 before I could understand but his ACC always the same so it shows that there's no change. Even if his attacks were more explosive than contador he would be 75
This sounds like a provocation to me, as it means that we wouldn't upgrade his stats only because he's Froome or something. We don't make any kind of favoritism towards any rider if that's what you mean, our stats are meant to reflect what happens irl, the stat discussion thread is opened to discuss changes, not to complain about the stats, everyone will have his point of view, for this reason the stats will never be 100% perfect and accurate for everyone.
Also, just as a note, Froome's stat is actually 75 the 4th highest among the gc contenders that roughly looks like this:
Rodriguez: 82
Contador: 78
Uran: 77
Valverde: 77
Froome: 75
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 19:00
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matt17br wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
In all PCM daily DB his ACC is always 75 so why do you say as off late his attacks haven't been explosive ?
If his ACC was 77 before I could understand but his ACC always the same so it shows that there's no change. Even if his attacks were more explosive than contador he would be 75
This sounds like a provocation to me, as it means that we wouldn't upgrade his stats only because he's Froome or something. We don't make any kind of favoritism towards any rider if that's what you mean, our stats are meant to reflect what happens irl, the stat discussion thread is opened to discuss changes, not to complain about the stats, everyone will have his point of view, for this reason the stats will never be 100% perfect and accurate for everyone.
Also, just as a note, Froome's stat is actually 75 the 4th highest among the gc contenders that roughly looks like this:
Rodriguez: 82
Contador: 78
Uran: 77
Valverde: 77
Froome: 75
I'm not trying to be provocative because I know the DB makers are doing a great job but I was just saying my point of view I wasn't trying to be rude |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 27-01-2015 19:02
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Why is Uran's ACC higher than Froome,Quintana,Nibali,Aru,D.Martin(?) and same with Valverde?
Why is Valverde's ACC same as Uran's and 5 points lower than Rodriguez?
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 19:05
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Why is Uran's ACC higher than Froome,Quintana,Nibali,Aru,D.Martin(?) and same with Valverde?
Why is Valverde's ACC same as Uran's and 5 points lower than Rodriguez?
Uran ACC is not higher than Dan Martin because martin got 80 but for the rest you are right. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 19:09
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Uran's should definetely not be that high, he barely never accelerates, he is just content with riding his own pace. I would put Froome at 77-38 and Uran in the low 70's. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 27-01-2015 19:16
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Riis123 wrote:
Uran's should definetely not be that high, he barely never accelerates, he is just content with riding his own pace. I would put Froome at 77-38 and Uran in the low 70's.
yes exactly you are right uran accelerate rarely and he gets higher stats than riders that accelerates more but since the ACC is about the explosivity of the attack maybe when he does an attack its powerful, but I don't see it higher than froome ACC. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 28-01-2015 13:32
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fidjim2013 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Uran's should definetely not be that high, he barely never accelerates, he is just content with riding his own pace. I would put Froome at 77-38 and Uran in the low 70's.
yes exactly you are right uran accelerate rarely and he gets higher stats than riders that accelerates more but since the ACC is about the explosivity of the attack maybe when he does an attack its powerful, but I don't see it higher than froome ACC.
Nope, not at all. Urán is much more of a Ullrich-type diesel than an accelerator which is why it boggles me he has a higher acc-stat than Froome. On a second thought, I wouldnt even give Urán 70 tbh. |
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 28-01-2015 16:57
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Riis123 wrote:
fidjim2013 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
Uran's should definetely not be that high, he barely never accelerates, he is just content with riding his own pace. I would put Froome at 77-38 and Uran in the low 70's.
yes exactly you are right uran accelerate rarely and he gets higher stats than riders that accelerates more but since the ACC is about the explosivity of the attack maybe when he does an attack its powerful, but I don't see it higher than froome ACC.
Nope, not at all. Urán is much more of a Ullrich-type diesel than an accelerator which is why it boggles me he has a higher acc-stat than Froome. On a second thought, I wouldnt even give Urán 70 tbh.
Uran should not be more than 72 at the best |
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-01-2015 15:52
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
Why is Uran's ACC higher than Froome,Quintana,Nibali,Aru,D.Martin(?) and same with Valverde?
Why is Valverde's ACC same as Uran's and 5 points lower than Rodriguez? Can a DB maker answer?
Btw what are Betancur's and Costa's ACC stats?They should be77-78(Betancur) and 76-77(Costa)and they should also be higher than Uran who has to be 71-72 at best.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 29-01-2015 15:59
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Betancur's acceleration stat is 79, Costa is 74 and I don't see why he should be 76...? Uran may be lowered in the next version.
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| Forever the Best |
Posted on 29-01-2015 16:01
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matt17br wrote:
Betancur's acceleration stat is 79, Costa is 74 and I don't see why he should be 76...? Uran may be lowered in the next version. After seeing Valverde as well 74 is enough for Costa
But Uran should obviously be lowered imo
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| fidjim2013 |
Posted on 30-01-2015 02:17
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The Schleck Fan wrote:
matt17br wrote:
Betancur's acceleration stat is 79, Costa is 74 and I don't see why he should be 76...? Uran may be lowered in the next version. After seeing Valverde as well 74 is enough for Costa
But Uran should obviously be lowered imo
It is mostly punchers that get high acceleration and I find Vincenzo nibali and froome ACC stats low at 74 and 75 while contador get 78 that's a bit weird. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 30-01-2015 11:05
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I think Valverde would be perfect with 79 |
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 30-01-2015 11:47
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fidjim2013 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
matt17br wrote:
Betancur's acceleration stat is 79, Costa is 74 and I don't see why he should be 76...? Uran may be lowered in the next version. After seeing Valverde as well 74 is enough for Costa
But Uran should obviously be lowered imo
It is mostly punchers that get high acceleration and I find Vincenzo nibali and froome ACC stats low at 74 and 75 while contador get 78 that's a bit weird.
Well that's because of their riding styles, Contador is the explosive rider, hence his Acceleration becomes an important stat to showcase that in the game and Froome is the pain receiver, which doesn't take the big attacks, but set's the tempo and makes everyone else tired.
Froome = Endurance stat
Contador = Acceleration stat
By making these stats high, you give them two different riding styles, if you don't give Froome too many high stats in the Acceleration stat
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| matt17br |
Posted on 30-01-2015 14:01
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fidjim2013 wrote:
The Schleck Fan wrote:
matt17br wrote:
Betancur's acceleration stat is 79, Costa is 74 and I don't see why he should be 76...? Uran may be lowered in the next version. After seeing Valverde as well 74 is enough for Costa
But Uran should obviously be lowered imo
It is mostly punchers that get high acceleration and I find Vincenzo nibali and froome ACC stats low at 74 and 75 while contador get 78 that's a bit weird.
Does Nibali really deserve more than 74?
@Aizak, which stat are you talking about?
Edited by matt17br on 30-01-2015 14:10
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