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Giro d'Italia Week 3
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:10
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Brilliant ride from Hesjedal! Rolland blew himself up completely trying to follow, but Ryder doesn't roll like that. Kept fighting until he very end. For a 2nd there I thought my seemingly useless bet would actually pay off! Into the top 10 and even the podium is possible, however implausible.
Like Valverde, it just makes me think of that TTT. Would be on the podium right now without it. And with Dan there, since he is always without help, who knows what they could have done.
Uran again not being able to follow on the big mountains. Great ride by Kelderman, and once again Evans is cracking. Not able to match that anymore in the 3rd week.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 28-05-2014 00:50
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:12
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I thought Kelderman was really impressive today  |
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| Smoku |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:32
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CrueTrue wrote:
The radio message didn't mention a neutralization, but it did say that motos with flags would be inserted to prevent attacks and make sure that riders keep their positions ... which, I suppose, is de facto neutralization.
There is actually a photo showing Quintana, Ryder & Rolland doing just that
So it's not a neutralization, it's rather like F1 yellow flags.
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Posted on 27-05-2014 23:35
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baseballlover312 wrote:
And with Dan there, since he is always without help, who knows what they could have done.
Not so fast, you don't want to risk Dan taking out Ryder with him on one of those hairpins 
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| Anderis |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:39
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baseballlover312 wrote:
And with Dan there, since he is always without help, who knows what they could have done.
You seem to have forgotten Ryder got some help from Cardoso on the final kilometers of Sunday's stage.
Cardoso is strong, currently sits 20th in GC and I'm sure he will be usefull in the coming days if Ryder needs him. GC contenders aside, he seems to be one of the strongest climbers in the last couple of days.
I still think lack of Dan might be an asset for Ryder actually. I'm quite sure Martin would be some seconds ahead after a couple of stages (especially Montecopiolo, where Ryder was not that strong and lost 20 seconds and this kind of finish should suit Dan so he should have some gains over Ryder there). You can see Hesjedal is getting there thanks to willpower as much as thanks to pure strength. If he had a team-mate going well here, it's possible he wouldn't have been that much determined to show something on himself and he could rather focus on supporting Dan. And who knows where Martin would be. Maybe on course to get a podium here, or maybe somewhere close to where Kiserlovski is now.
All in all, I think that crash on a stage 1 may result in Garmin having his best placed GC rider higher at the end of the race than they would have without it. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:47
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Anderis wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
And with Dan there, since he is always without help, who knows what they could have done.
You seem to have forgotten Ryder got some help from Cardoso on the final kilometers of Sunday's stage.
Cardoso is strong, currently sits 20th in GC and I'm sure he will be usefull in the coming days if Ryder needs him. GC contenders aside, he seems to be one of the strongest climbers in the last couple of days.
I still think lack of Dan might be an asset for Ryder actually. I'm quite sure Martin would be some seconds ahead after a couple of stages (especially Montecopiolo, where Ryder was not that strong and lost 20 seconds and this kind of finish should suit Dan so he should have some gains over Ryder there). You can see Hesjedal is getting there thanks to willpower as much as thanks to pure strength. If he had a team-mate going well here, it's possible he wouldn't have been that much determined to show something on himself and he could rather focus on supporting Dan. And who knows where Martin would be. Maybe on course to get a podium here, or maybe somewhere close to where Kiserlovski is now.
All in all, I think that crash on a stage 1 may result in Garmin having his best placed GC rider higher at the end of the race than they would have without it.
Kind of irrelevant when Ryder is alone for the entirety of 9/10 final climbs. Most penultimate too. Rewatch the stages and you'll see that. only Sunday was he there.
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| jacobjc88 |
Posted on 27-05-2014 23:57
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As someone else wrote, it would have been a quite different race if Garmin wouldn't have had such a bad TTT. It's too easy to just withdraw the time from the TTT, and then say he would have been on the podium. Things would have completely different then
But Ryder fought really well to hang on Quintana, you gotta give him that  Impressive performance
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| Anderis |
Posted on 28-05-2014 00:17
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Kind of irrelevant when Ryder is alone for the entirety of 9/10 final climbs. Most penultimate too.
There's a difference between "always" and most of the time. I don't deny it that Ryder was riding alone often this Giro, but often is not always.
And Cardoso is slowly getting there. He was even dropped on a stage to Montecassino IIRC wasn't really showing great form for first 10 or so days. But in the last couple of stages he is doing really well.
I think I've seen Cardoso with Hesjedal on a stage 11 all when it mattered. Then on a stage 14 Hesjedal was in early attack so it didn't matter. Then on a stage 15 Cardoso was there, despite being in a brakaway early. And today he was there up to a some point on a Stelvio, before the race gone crazy.
But better let it be no need for his team-mates to work too much in the following days, because apart from Cardoso, he only has Haas and Farrar left in the race. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 28-05-2014 00:21
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About Cardoso, Ryder is pretty thankful:
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 28-05-2014 00:37
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Having followed most of Cardoso's professional career I have to say this is an absolutely outstanding performance by him, even though he's always shown himself to be a talented climber. He just never competed at this level.
This was a great stage for Garmin. But they deserved a day like this after all they've been through. If things work out for the best for Hesjedal he could even finish inside the podium
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 00:45
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baseballlover312 wrote:
and once again vans is cracking.
Yup, they just don't make vans like they used to
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 28-05-2014 03:13
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So it seems like OPQS, Belkin, BMC and Saxo seemed to think there was some sort of neutralisation. Regardless who was told what and who's fault it is, I would have loved to have seen Quintana and co. In the main group as they reached the final climb. Would have made for some exciting racing, albeit Quintana would have almost definitely won again.
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| Malkael |
Posted on 28-05-2014 04:37
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Stage 17 - Sarnonico to Vittorio Veneto (208KM)
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After the drama and suspense of an action-packed Stage 16, the 2014 Giro d'Italia resumes with an undulating 208 kilometre stage from Sarnonico to Vittorio Veneto.
While on paper this stage is deemed to be 'flat', the undulating nature of the stage and the fact the sprinters are coming off multiple days in the high mountains could favour the breakaway. With three Category Four climbs and a number of unclassified hills strewn throughout the parcours.
If the sprinters are keen to content the stage the final 60 kilometres of the stage could prove decisive with the majority of the climbs located within that segment of the parcours. The rough terrain should make it difficulty for the teams of the sprinters to keep the breakaway under control and they cannot afford to give them too much leeway.
The greatest threat to the chances of the sprinters, and a potential launch pad for a late breakaway, will be the Category 4 Muro di Ca' del Poggio, located just 22 kilometres from the finish. While only approximately 1300 metres in length the climb features an average gradient of 15 percent, with some sections even reaching as high as 20 percent.
While the weather could once again have a say in matters with weather forecasts predicting a 50% chance of precipitation from thunderstorms predicted to be in the region. Which would only serve to increase the difficulty of the Muro di Ca' del Poggio's dizzyingly high gradients.
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Curiously, race organisers RCS Sport have once again felt the need to complicate the stage's finale by continuing the stage after a 3500 metre long straight and having the peloton overcome not one but two tight left-hand corners within the final 1000 metres. With the final 450 metres of the stage ever so slightly downhill and on an eight metre wide straight stretch of road.
Choosing a favourite, or three, for the stage will be difficult given the fact it could become a day for the breakaway, as the General Classification teams will not chase hard if the breakaway has no threatening riders within it. While the Muro di Ca' del Poggio will complicate matters for the sprinters and may see those without good climbing legs distanced all the way to the finishing line.
If Team Sky can somehow manage to marshal the race or launch Ben Swift in to the breakaway the British team may finally walk away with a stage victory in the 2014 Giro d'Italia. Otherwise today could be a good opportunity for the likes of Nathan Haas to once again try their luck in the breakaway.
Should Lotto Belisol's Adam Hansen manage to make the breakaway of the day I fully expect him to be a strong contender for the stage victory.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 06:12
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Kritzo wrote:
Shonak wrote:
weirdskyfan64 wrote:
Did Quintana attack on a neutralized descent?
Nope, descent was not neutralized.
Garmin, OPQS, Belkin and Tinkoff-Saxo all thought it was neutralized, and the Belkin DS even says this: "The organisation told the sports directors that the descent of the Stelvio would be neutralised, but now they’re claiming that the message was only meant to warn us of the descent".
Many of the top tier GC candidates literally stopped on top of the Stelvio. Some Movistar riders did too!
They lie mate, because they just lost the race with their own misunderstanding(race they would lost anyway with far superior climber Quintana). Uran was looking like he shited his pants as soon as he got up from bed and saw bad weather, why do you go for Giro where they ride over 2500metres in may then? 
I was always fan of Saxo, but they are such a crybabies now. They should stop look on Twitter during races and concentrate on waht is going on. This is GT ,so they ride and manage, not tell riders to stop, tweet and cry that the road is wet.
People here blaming Quintana should get over it, he did nothing wrong and was clearly the best on the day.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 06:19
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TimoCycling wrote:
Is it just me or is it always Movistar doing stuff like this?
And the confusion is the race jury's fault, saying on twitter it would be neutralized. Understandably that Lefevre is mad, then again, after a few minutes he could've realised Quintana was gone and gone after him?
You are joking right? Because i am pretty sure that Twitter is not official place to read info on. 
About motorycles with flags preventing attacking, what stupidity is that? Prevent rider from attacking in a GT, gosh...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 06:22
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
Even though I'm not in favour of the teams complaining, I feel this was a bad stage. Firstly because it was decided on that technicality on the descent of the Stelvio, and secondly because the winner of the Giro has already been found.
All the thrill of having a 6 men race for the win, as been turned into a 7 (maybe 8) men fight for the podium, which despite being far from boring, is a bit anticlimactic to me.
Have you actually seen Quintana climbing? This race would be over anyway, descend confusion or not...
I hope we can get ban of the race radios in every race at some point in the future. That way, nobody could not say a word and just ride for the win.
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| kubys |
Posted on 28-05-2014 06:27
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I am just wondering what will be with Urán until the end of Giro. He clearly lost some of his power in the mountains comparing with last years. OPQS probably decided to focus his training on TT, but this is useless for next stages.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 06:33
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kubys wrote:
I am just wondering what will be with Urán until the end of Giro. He clearly lost some of his power in the mountains comparing with last years. OPQS probably decided to focus his training on TT, but this is useless for next stages.
He switched from Sky to OPQS, which is -3 in mountains and +5 in TTs.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 28-05-2014 07:34
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Yeaah he was best..but no way 4 min better. Maybe 1.30
He would win Giro anyway is your excuse for this fuck up situation?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2014 07:41
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Yeaah he was best..but no way 4 min better. Maybe 1.30
He would win Giro anyway is your excuse for this fuck up situation?
What is wrong with you?..Really
Who fucked up the situation? It seems that team managers who were not paying 100% attention to race radio did that for their teams. So yeah, his time gain is perfectly legit, what is wrong with you Guido? Also Quintana was 1.30 in the lead when he hit the front at foot of the climb. In the end it was 3.30-4.50 to biggest favourites. We will never now what he would gain from the favourites group, but what is your advice now, stop the race?
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