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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-11-2015 15:38
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Wiggins is the only cyclist to ever win Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour in the same season, so yeah that's pretty unique 
It's only unique because no one ever bothered to try it.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-11-2015 16:27
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Spilak23 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Wiggins is the only cyclist to ever win Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour in the same season, so yeah that's pretty unique
It's only unique because no one ever bothered to try it.
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 24-11-2015 18:28
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Wiggins is the only cyclist to ever win Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour in the same season, so yeah that's pretty unique
Wiggins is also the only cyclist ever to win an Olympic Gold and Tour in the same year
To set both first time ever records in the same year, you're right it's completely not unique and just something any cyclist can do
The first one, while it is of course very impressive, it's a very specific combination of races. It's a bit like saying Barcelona are undefeated in 25 years on thursday nights. Yes it's impressive but it's impossible to say how historic it is when it's unlikely in any given year a major Tour contender will ride all those races. It's also a year generally acknowledged to have weak competition in the GC department with several major men injured or suspended.
Off the top of my head I can't remember a major Tour GC figure riding those 4 any other time. Not saying it didn't happen, but it's quite rare
As for the second one, only the last 5 olympics have been open to professional cyclists and outside of australia the olympics aren't nearly as important as in britain, so it is what it is.
I'm just trying to put it into perspective, I feel the 2012 award was a no brainer.
While Boonen's three week stint was fantastic, it was essentially his whole year. The rest of the season had him beating up lower competition in smaller races and not doing anything in the ones that mattered.
Spilak23 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Wiggins is the only cyclist to ever win Nice, Romandie, Dauphine and Tour in the same season, so yeah that's pretty unique
It's only unique because no one ever bothered to try it.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-11-2015 18:55
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It's not silly or pathetic. Nice-Romandie-Dauphine-Tour is not some famous quadruple-header like Ardennes triple or GT-double. It's an arbitrary distinction that doesn't mean much.
If that quadruple header had any worth other riders would have tried it aswell.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 24-11-2015 19:01
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Thatguyeveryonehates wrote:
I'm just trying to put it into perspective, I feel the 2012 award was a no brainer.
While Boonen's three week stint was fantastic, it was essentially his whole year. The rest of the season had him beating up lower competition in smaller races and not doing anything in the ones that mattered.
Not correct. He won the Belgian NC, Paris-Bruxelles, the World TTT's and was also quite good at both the Olympics and Worlds.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-11-2015 19:36
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Well, you can win a few races and combine them without meaning and it can be unique. But there's stuff like winning the 4 cobbled classics, the Ardennes triple, a Giro/Tour/Vuelta double, that stuff has actual meaning
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-11-2015 19:53
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On Wiggins and PN/Romandie/Dauphine/TDF Combo: It's not a specific set of races like the Ardennes or Flanders ones, but that doesn't make it less impressive. And it's not just that he won them but that he won them in such a dominant fashion. The big GT riders don't tend to win any other WT races, certainly not three stretched over such a long period of time.
On Boonen: 28th in the Olympic RR is hardly quite good. Peter Velits was also part of that TTT Worlds team and his 2012 wasn't classed as good. Of the 10 races Wiggins started in 2012 he was on the Podium in 6 of them, 4 were WT events and one was an Olympics. He had an insane season, Boonen had an insane month, and to the French press that's not a comparision.
On the Velo d'Or: And this comes all the way back to what i originally said about the Velo d'Or, it's mostly pointless and just another accolade for the GT winners to collect. Velo Magazine always rates the TDF over everything by a big margin so whoever wins the Tour is favorite to win the Velo d'Or and it will take an exceptional season to beat that. Boonen in 2012 was exceptional but unfortunately for him so was Wiggins season. Exceptional vs Exceptional + TDF win...
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 24-11-2015 20:29
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TheManxMissile wrote:
On the Velo d'Or: And this comes all the way back to what i originally said about the Velo d'Or, it's mostly pointless and just another accolade for the GT winners to collect. Velo Magazine always rates the TDF over everything by a big margin so whoever wins the Tour is favorite to win the Velo d'Or and it will take an exceptional season to beat that. Boonen in 2012 was exceptional but unfortunately for him so was Wiggins season. Exceptional vs Exceptional + TDF win...
This
French magazine voting on an award that means little, with Froome he won two big french races Dauphine and Tour hence Velo D'or winner not fair really but it doesn't matter really. |
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| Thatguyeveryonehates |
Posted on 24-11-2015 22:13
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TheManxMissile wrote:The big GT riders don't tend to win any other WT races, certainly not three stretched over such a long period of time.
I have to disagree, the Tour winner usually wins a lot, and when he doesn't it's usually because the strongest guys retired (2014). Froome, Evans, Contador, Landis. Really only Sastre is an exception in the last decade, and he was willingly leading in slowly to save himself for a Tour-Vuelta double |
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| roturn |
Posted on 25-11-2015 06:39
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Quite a lot of talking recently about contracts, where the riders need to pay most of their wage to get a team spot. Not only in CT but also PCT and WT, which is a horrible development (or probably always were like this). Not even legal to 100% neither.
Most recent examples were Rob Ruijgh or Ivan Santaromita, that mentioned their lost contract talks after they were supposed to pay their wage themselves basically. Later now instead joins Skydive Dubai in CT as all talks with PCT teams failed when he was supposed to pay 50.000 € for the spot. |
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 25-11-2015 07:06
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roturn wrote:
Quite a lot of talking recently about contracts, where the riders need to pay most of their wage to get a team spot. Not only in CT but also PCT and WT, which is a horrible development (or probably always were like this). Not even legal to 100% neither.
Most recent examples were Rob Ruijgh or Ivan Santaromita, that mentioned their lost contract talks after they were supposed to pay their wage themselves basically. Later now instead joins Skydive Dubai in CT as all talks with PCT teams failed when he was supposed to pay 50.000 € for the spot.
Doesn't sound like a job or career...
Sounds more like a paid activity which should not be what professional cycling is.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 25-11-2015 09:31
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It's happening in football for some time now, where players have to pay the club to become a professional.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| roturn |
Posted on 25-11-2015 12:58
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Not the biggest news but Dimension Data as expected becoming a World Tour team.
https://www.teammt...m/?p=10997 |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 25-11-2015 19:02
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 25-11-2015 20:11
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The thing about paying to ride..
This might be stupid, but I have a very bad feeling where some of that money is going. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 25-11-2015 21:08
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It doesn't surprise me teams are asking riders to pay for a spot on their team. There's a lot of reasoning going on here, it's not just teams being d*cks to riders.
Primarily it's financial, and cycling teams are not financially successful. For a team to turn a profit, well it's impossible i think. Getting a rider to pay you makes a small difference and eases the pressures, for a PCT or CT team it can make a lot of difference i think.
Riders don't have much bargaining room. There are a heck of a lot more riders than there are spaces on teams. If you don't have a contract in place and are trying to get a WT or PCT place teams can basically dictate to you for the most part. Pay money to the team and it puts you in a strong position.
It's much like "pay" drivers in motorsport. They bring money or sponsorships to the team and this means that perhaps a more talented person doesn't get a spot. It's how sport works, whether it's right or wrong it's the reality of things.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 25-11-2015 23:37
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Robert Powers career in serious trouble before it's even begun
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-11-2015 18:42
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Peter Sagan is in Belgium to work to prevent an injury with his left leg. Also did an interview with the Belgian press and one question (well, the answer) really sums up Sagan:
If you had to pick one race to win next season, which one?
Sagan: few classics, Olympics, WC, few stages in the Tour, green jersey. Everything.
Now that's the spirit  |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-11-2015 00:58
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It's treatable which is good but will require rest and support, OGE seem like the right outfit to support a young rider so hopefully they stick by him and give him the chance to fully recover before he starts racing again. He's a pretty big talent so I reckon they will stick by him
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| Strydz |
Posted on 27-11-2015 00:59
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Ian Butler wrote:
Peter Sagan is in Belgium to work to prevent an injury with his left leg. Also did an interview with the Belgian press and one question (well, the answer) really sums up Sagan:
If you had to pick one race to win next season, which one?
Sagan: few classics, Olympics, WC, few stages in the Tour, green jersey. Everything.
Now that's the spirit
Haha! You're Sagan bromance just keeps getting deeper
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