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| weirdskyfan64 |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:11
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TSP- Albasini?
Disclaimer- Most of my posts are me thinking aloud. And most of what I think is rubbish.
Winner of a FIFA Prediction Fair Play Award (a phrase becoming increasingly ironic)
"... Because he (me) has a sound tactical mind in general..." jandal7, at 9:30 am GMT on 12th May 2016
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| Movistar |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:18
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"It’s not just the mountains, the length of the stages or the way certain teams control the race that can be a cause for concern — there’s also the fact the organisers seem to make some stages dangerous just in the hope that it will make for great television. The last stage had a tight, twisting circuit with shitty road surfaces, cobbles and tram tracks. It’s another reason to call the race a joke. I mean, come on — we are all seriously tired and with stuff like this you’re just asking for trouble. Too bad they wanted an ‘exciting’ final stage to attract good TV viewing figures."
Reading this paragraph, this joke doesn't even deserve to be a professional athlete.
If you want to ride a nice easy race good for you, but guess who pays your bills when you are a pro. The fucking fans.
All this guy does is whine about other people and how things arnt perfect for him. if he hates cycling so much why doesnt he quit.
Oh thats right because us the fans pay him more than any job he could get off a bike.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:24
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TSP Hesjedal,hansen or henderson? maybe |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:26
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Movistar wrote:
"It’s not just the mountains, the length of the stages or the way certain teams control the race that can be a cause for concern — there’s also the fact the organisers seem to make some stages dangerous just in the hope that it will make for great television. The last stage had a tight, twisting circuit with shitty road surfaces, cobbles and tram tracks. It’s another reason to call the race a joke. I mean, come on — we are all seriously tired and with stuff like this you’re just asking for trouble. Too bad they wanted an ‘exciting’ final stage to attract good TV viewing figures."
Reading this paragraph, this joke doesn't even deserve to be a professional athlete.
If you want to ride a nice easy race good for you, but guess who pays your bills when you are a pro. The fucking fans.
All this guy does is whine about other people and how things arnt perfect for him. if he hates cycling so much why doesnt he quit.
Oh thats right because us the fans pay him more than any job he could get off a bike.
So he should just jump through hoops if we tell him?
Riders have the right to demand safety. I don't know if you've ever raced in a peloton of +50 people with shitty roads and tram tracks, but I can guarentee you it's not very safe.
It's not because the fans pay him (which we don't, actually), that he has to endure unsafe situations and smile about it.
Actually you gave me a great idea. How about instead of a flamme rouge a real life wall of fire the riders have to ride through. That'll be exciting for us, the fans! 
Edited by Ian Butler on 09-06-2015 18:27
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:33
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Ian Butler wrote:
Movistar wrote:
"It’s not just the mountains, the length of the stages or the way certain teams control the race that can be a cause for concern — there’s also the fact the organisers seem to make some stages dangerous just in the hope that it will make for great television. The last stage had a tight, twisting circuit with shitty road surfaces, cobbles and tram tracks. It’s another reason to call the race a joke. I mean, come on — we are all seriously tired and with stuff like this you’re just asking for trouble. Too bad they wanted an ‘exciting’ final stage to attract good TV viewing figures."
Reading this paragraph, this joke doesn't even deserve to be a professional athlete.
If you want to ride a nice easy race good for you, but guess who pays your bills when you are a pro. The fucking fans.
All this guy does is whine about other people and how things arnt perfect for him. if he hates cycling so much why doesnt he quit.
Oh thats right because us the fans pay him more than any job he could get off a bike.
So he should just jump through hoops if we tell him?
Riders have the right to demand safety. I don't know if you've ever raced in a peloton of +50 people with shitty roads and tram tracks, but I can guarentee you it's not very safe.
It's not because the fans pay him (which we don't, actually), that he has to endure unsafe situations and smile about it.
Actually you gave me a great idea. How about instead of a flamme rouge a real life wall of fire the riders have to ride through. That'll be exciting for us, the fans!
Just wanted to write something similar.
In other sports a lot is done in favour of the athletes. In football, tennis or Formula 1 money is much less a problem and so the athletes take profit by not having such high risks.
In cycling unfortunately the money is far, far less than there. So the riders are sent on risky routes, that risk their health a lot sometimes, just for a good show to enjoy the crowd.
I personally would like to see some lower risks sometimes and surely wouldn`t stop watching cycling. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:35
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Yeah.
For example those ridiculous rides in the USA at 40°C sometimes, or in China with a thick fog of pollution. Riders are just expected to race competitively in them. That's just insane. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:38
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Let`s take the World Cup in Qatar. For once the football players have to take health risks due to warm weather.
Obviously it`s correct and absolutely needed to not let them play in the Qatar summer.
But what the secret pro basically asks for, is exactly the same. He wants to get a more fair solution for the riders. Just like football players asked for. So does this mean, all those football players are also not worth to be professionals now?
Obviously the World Cup can be changed to winter without many problems as the football organizations find money easily to change 3! seasons or so to make suiting schedules.
In cycling it wouldn`t be too hard neither imo. Just don`t make such terrifying routes that late in a GT.
Edited by roturn on 09-06-2015 18:40
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| Cossack |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:48
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Let's remember he was saying about the FINAL stage, unnecessary risks are never welcome on stage which is supposed to be a feast and where only sprinters' teams are supposed to do some real racing for stage win.
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:50
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Plot twist: TSP is not really a pro. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 09-06-2015 18:51
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Cossack wrote:
unnecessary risks are never welcome
Fixed that for you  |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 09-06-2015 19:17
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lol Always love the line when fans say "we pay them". Especially in cycling. Like how do we? Most of the guys on this board havn't ever attented a race, yet alone paid to visit one. If you have been a member of Euskaltel family or crowdfund a women team than certainly, yes. If you buy a BMC bike because of Gilbert than no.
Same with doping stuff, "but he cheated on us fans". Favourite line in all of sports, a rider cheated the gullible fans. Always cracks me up.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 09-06-2015 21:07
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I am fairly convinced TSP is written by several different riders, unless there is one person out there who is very very good at lying 
RE positives: It is rather worrying to know that one of the worst cyclists in the peloton was on EPO, I know there is the family connection there which might explain why he's been able to get a contract in the first place but even so it makes you think about the rest of the peloton that are EPO-streets ahead of him.
And RusVelo, a team forced to suspend itself from MPCC two years ago because they were having positives left right and centre: another one, how surprising! Also, interesting tidbit: the guy who founded and coached at RusVelo has worked at British Cycling since 2000. Just saying.
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| Movistar |
Posted on 10-06-2015 03:35
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Ian Butler wrote:
Movistar wrote:
"It’s not just the mountains, the length of the stages or the way certain teams control the race that can be a cause for concern — there’s also the fact the organisers seem to make some stages dangerous just in the hope that it will make for great television. The last stage had a tight, twisting circuit with shitty road surfaces, cobbles and tram tracks. It’s another reason to call the race a joke. I mean, come on — we are all seriously tired and with stuff like this you’re just asking for trouble. Too bad they wanted an ‘exciting’ final stage to attract good TV viewing figures."
Reading this paragraph, this joke doesn't even deserve to be a professional athlete.
If you want to ride a nice easy race good for you, but guess who pays your bills when you are a pro. The fucking fans.
All this guy does is whine about other people and how things arnt perfect for him. if he hates cycling so much why doesnt he quit.
Oh thats right because us the fans pay him more than any job he could get off a bike.
So he should just jump through hoops if we tell him?
Riders have the right to demand safety. I don't know if you've ever raced in a peloton of +50 people with shitty roads and tram tracks, but I can guarentee you it's not very safe.
It's not because the fans pay him (which we don't, actually), that he has to endure unsafe situations and smile about it.
Actually you gave me a great idea. How about instead of a flamme rouge a real life wall of fire the riders have to ride through. That'll be exciting for us, the fans!
So if there were zero fans, he would make money?
I havent ridden in a pro peloton but I have played professional sports at a lower level than this chump. The one thing I learned is that without fans I wasnt playing anymore.
If you think sports exist without fans or TV, you are completely loony. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 10-06-2015 03:37
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Shonak wrote:
lol Always love the line when fans say "we pay them". Especially in cycling. Like how do we? Most of the guys on this board havn't ever attented a race, yet alone paid to visit one. If you have been a member of Euskaltel family or crowdfund a women team than certainly, yes. If you buy a BMC bike because of Gilbert than no.
Same with doping stuff, "but he cheated on us fans". Favourite line in all of sports, a rider cheated the gullible fans. Always cracks me up.
You understand how TV works right?
If you think any sports exist without the fans being the single driving force you are crazy.
And if you are so literal that you think attending an event and giving the rider 5 bucks = a fan, god I dont know what to tell you.
Edited by Movistar on 10-06-2015 03:37
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| Movistar |
Posted on 10-06-2015 03:40
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Ian Butler wrote:
Yeah.
For example those ridiculous rides in the USA at 40°C sometimes, or in China with a thick fog of pollution. Riders are just expected to race competitively in them. That's just insane.
You guys are just delusional. These athletes dont have to do anything they dont want according to you guys right?
If you are going to claim that fans dont pay the athletes than clearly them not showing up for events they think are too dangerous wont be a problem. |
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| Movistar |
Posted on 10-06-2015 03:45
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roturn wrote:
Let`s take the World Cup in Qatar. For once the football players have to take health risks due to warm weather.
Obviously it`s correct and absolutely needed to not let them play in the Qatar summer.
But what the secret pro basically asks for, is exactly the same. He wants to get a more fair solution for the riders. Just like football players asked for. So does this mean, all those football players are also not worth to be professionals now?
Obviously the World Cup can be changed to winter without many problems as the football organizations find money easily to change 3! seasons or so to make suiting schedules.
In cycling it wouldn`t be too hard neither imo. Just don`t make such terrifying routes that late in a GT.
He asked for nothing similar. Athletes playing for 90 minutes, running constantly in 110 degree temps is bad for everyone.
This guy is just complaining because the downhill or the cobbles or the climb was to tough for HIM. Do you understand the difference.
How else has had a problem with anything except for this idiot.
You understand there was an almost unanimous condemnation of the World Cup location by the pros in Europe, while this guy who cant even say his name, doesn't like hard stages, hills, descents, or cobbles.
The guy wants to get paid to do nothing. If you guys support that, I don't even know what to say. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-06-2015 06:58
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
Plot twist: TSP is not really a pro.
That is what i actually think the whole time, he is just the well informed person working in cycling, but not a professional rider.
Ian, of course the fans pay the riders. Not directly, but without fans, there would be no money to pay the cyclists and they could ride for free, not for thousands of euros. There are many jobs that are much more dangerous and are paid 100 times less...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 10-06-2015 07:00
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-06-2015 07:07
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Movistar wrote:
If you think sports exist without fans or TV, you are completely loony.
This. Some people should stick their romantic ideals into rear end and start thinking, because sport is only about money in 21st century. Why do you think that every sport and every athlete/team cares so much about their image in media. Because it is media, who are actually giving them the job and they say what will be seen and what not.
Cruel, not very nice, but that is reality.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 10-06-2015 07:32
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Movistar wrote:
Shonak wrote:
lol Always love the line when fans say "we pay them". Especially in cycling. Like how do we? Most of the guys on this board havn't ever attented a race, yet alone paid to visit one. If you have been a member of Euskaltel family or crowdfund a women team than certainly, yes. If you buy a BMC bike because of Gilbert than no.
Same with doping stuff, "but he cheated on us fans". Favourite line in all of sports, a rider cheated the gullible fans. Always cracks me up.
You understand how TV works right?
If you think any sports exist without the fans being the single driving force you are crazy.
And if you are so literal that you think attending an event and giving the rider 5 bucks = a fan, god I dont know what to tell you.
I understand very well how TV works, you don't seem to understand that you alone don't pay anything still. Sponsors pay their riders to be present in TV. Not you. The fans are just the reason why sponsors are involved in the end. That's a fundemental difference, and far from "we" the fans pay him.
One could also argue that without riders there wouldn't be fans by the way, since they are giving the sponsors the incentive to invest and hope for a R-O-I in form of good company presentation. They are actually doing the work out there. Thus, good riders attract the fans, bring new fans to the sport and keep them in the sport.
I'm not giving five bucks, I'm talking about paying entrance fees for events like in football, this also happens in CX eg.
"Fans being the single driving force"  You do understand that a organization such as UCI is behind cycling as well as many other organisations, many bike companies, tv stations and so on. Saying, fans are a driving force (especially since it's a huge mass of people just doing practically nothing mostly) is a nice strong hypothesis but at the end of the day, just a nice little fan ideal. What I give you is that fans are a huge part of cycling and we all know that, look at the sideslines of le Tour or De Ronde. There are many sports that don't need fans in such a way like cycling does, the cheering, the love; and the fans are the most important reason for any sport to exist and be covered in media... But "single driving force" of cycling, c'mon.
Edited by Shonak on 10-06-2015 07:52
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| roturn |
Posted on 10-06-2015 08:58
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And the next one leaves it.
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