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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 05-08-2013 16:57
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I just read a very interesting reaction to the fact that Belgium can only bring 9 riders to the WC. Van Damme, head of the Belgian cycling union, questions the points system.
He says it's unfair that the points system is mainly based on stage races while the WC itself is a classic. Opinions?
Article in Dutch
Of course, his opinion would've been different if VDB got top 5 in the Tour.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:04
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MartijnVDD wrote:
I just read a very interesting reaction to the fact that Belgium can only bring 9 riders to the WC. Van Damme, head of the Belgian cycling union, questions the points system.
He says it's unfair that the points system is mainly based on stage races while the WC itself is a classic. Opinions?
Article in Dutch
Of course, his opinion would've been different if VDB got top 5 in the Tour.
Yeah exactly I mean it comes down to the fact that his federation just doesn't produce GC riders and as such he stands to gain by arguing for classics. It strikes me as someone wanting to provide coverage for their own job - "I'm not doing badly, the system is just broken." I would ask him why he didn't say anything about this last year or the year before that.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:06
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I don't see what's the big problem. 7 instead of 9, okay 
I'd say every team should only have 6 riders on the WC 
But I agree that the point system is not at all waterproof. CQ Ranking would be better, no? Or a new points system all together. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:26
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Yeah cause Belgium is so gonna win the WC this year anyway 
There are bigger issues with Points Systems and it relates to WT teams places!!! The WC should be reduced to X number per team for all teams, and that anyone can be selected by the national body. Return to the days when the Worlds were something special and a truly global end to the season.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:29
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Yeah cause Belgium is so gonna win the WC this year anyway
It's not like the defending champion is Belgian
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:44
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Spilak23 wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Yeah cause Belgium is so gonna win the WC this year anyway
It's not like the defending champion is Belgian
But the Belgian riders that should do well on this kind of route are not on the same level as other riders of the same type. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:55
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Uhmm, There is Gilbert who is a top 5 favourite. Then 3 good outsiders with Van Avermaet, Meersman and Bakelants.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 05-08-2013 17:59
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The system doesn't work well though. Of course Boonen and Nuyens injured in classics and VBD injured in the Tour was very bad for the ranking, but I think even than Belgium was among the top 10 nations this year.
Respect for what Peter Sagan did this season, but Slovakia should not finish in front of Belgium. Aside from Sagan, only Velits scored 10 points. The same goes for Poland (Kwiatkowski, Majka and Niemiec).
I think the system needs 2 changes:
- More points for the classics compared to stage races
- Allow more riders to score points, to avoid a 1-2 superstars from dominating.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| nacho63 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 18:17
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EBH being considered by Team Sky for the Vuelta
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 05-08-2013 18:32
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Our just multiply the points with the amount of riders (max 5) that got points and then make a ranking. It would look like this:
Spoiler 1. Spain 1282*5 = 6410
2. UK 970*5 = 4850
3. Colombia 1001*4 = 4004
4. Italy 737*5 = 3685
5. Netherlands 651*5 = 3255
6. Australia 607*5 = 3035
7. France 532*5 = 2660
8. Switzerland 438*5 = 2190
9. Belgium 412*5 = 2060
10. USA 402*5 = 2010
11. Poland 439*3 = 1317
12. Germany 259*5 = 1295
13. Slovenia 278*4 = 1112
14. Slovakia 419*2 = 838
15. Czech Republic 348*2 = 696
16. Denmark 166*4 = 664
17. Ireland 317*2 = 634
18. Portugal 250*2 = 500
19. Norway 153*3 = 459
20. Russia 45*5 = 225
21. Estonia 84*1 = 84
22. Austria 24*3 = 72
23. Lithuania 33*2 = 66
24. Canada 31*2 = 62
25. Costa Rica 25*1 = 25
26. Croatia 18*1 = 18
27. South Africa 8*2 = 16
28. Ukraine 6*1 = 6
29. Finland 4*1 = 4
30. Luxembourg 4*1 = 4
31. Kazakhstan 4*1 = 4
32. Belarus 2*1 = 2
33. Sweden 2*1 = 2
As you can see, only Colombia made the top 10 without 5 riders.
At least now you can be sure that the top 10 can bring a strong squad. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:08
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Most obvious way to do it: there are 9 riders in the biggest world's team, so the ranking should be taken from the highest scoring 9 riders per nation. Simple. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:16
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Our just multiply the points with the amount of riders (max 5) that got points and then make a ranking. It would look like this:
Spoiler 1. Spain 1282*5 = 6410
2. UK 970*5 = 4850
3. Colombia 1001*4 = 4004
4. Italy 737*5 = 3685
5. Netherlands 651*5 = 3255
6. Australia 607*5 = 3035
7. France 532*5 = 2660
8. Switzerland 438*5 = 2190
9. Belgium 412*5 = 2060
10. USA 402*5 = 2010
11. Poland 439*3 = 1317
12. Germany 259*5 = 1295
13. Slovenia 278*4 = 1112
14. Slovakia 419*2 = 838
15. Czech Republic 348*2 = 696
16. Denmark 166*4 = 664
17. Ireland 317*2 = 634
18. Portugal 250*2 = 500
19. Norway 153*3 = 459
20. Russia 45*5 = 225
21. Estonia 84*1 = 84
22. Austria 24*3 = 72
23. Lithuania 33*2 = 66
24. Canada 31*2 = 62
25. Costa Rica 25*1 = 25
26. Croatia 18*1 = 18
27. South Africa 8*2 = 16
28. Ukraine 6*1 = 6
29. Finland 4*1 = 4
30. Luxembourg 4*1 = 4
31. Kazakhstan 4*1 = 4
32. Belarus 2*1 = 2
33. Sweden 2*1 = 2
As you can see, only Colombia made the top 10 without 5 riders.
At least now you can be sure that the top 10 can bring a strong squad.
I'm in shock. Someone spelled Colombia properly 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:43
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I'm not certain Columbia has ever provided World class riders anyway. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:45
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Bold idea: The top 200 riders in the individual UCI rankings should start the World Championship.
Edited by Spilak23 on 05-08-2013 19:46
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| Rin |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:45
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Wasn't that Cavendish guy from Columbia?
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:49
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Guys, mind your spelling please. There's no u in Colombia. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-08-2013 19:51
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None of us claimed there's one. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 05-08-2013 20:14
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Spilak23 wrote:
Bold idea: The top 200 riders in the individual UCI rankings should start the World Championship.
So none from outside the world tour can start?
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| fickman |
Posted on 05-08-2013 20:16
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MartijnVDD wrote:
Our just multiply the points with the amount of riders (max 5) that got points and then make a ranking. It would look like this:
Spoiler 1. Spain 1282*5 = 6410
2. UK 970*5 = 4850
3. Colombia 1001*4 = 4004
4. Italy 737*5 = 3685
5. Netherlands 651*5 = 3255
6. Australia 607*5 = 3035
7. France 532*5 = 2660
8. Switzerland 438*5 = 2190
9. Belgium 412*5 = 2060
10. USA 402*5 = 2010
11. Poland 439*3 = 1317
12. Germany 259*5 = 1295
13. Slovenia 278*4 = 1112
14. Slovakia 419*2 = 838
15. Czech Republic 348*2 = 696
16. Denmark 166*4 = 664
17. Ireland 317*2 = 634
18. Portugal 250*2 = 500
19. Norway 153*3 = 459
20. Russia 45*5 = 225
21. Estonia 84*1 = 84
22. Austria 24*3 = 72
23. Lithuania 33*2 = 66
24. Canada 31*2 = 62
25. Costa Rica 25*1 = 25
26. Croatia 18*1 = 18
27. South Africa 8*2 = 16
28. Ukraine 6*1 = 6
29. Finland 4*1 = 4
30. Luxembourg 4*1 = 4
31. Kazakhstan 4*1 = 4
32. Belarus 2*1 = 2
33. Sweden 2*1 = 2
As you can see, only Colombia made the top 10 without 5 riders.
At least now you can be sure that the top 10 can bring a strong squad.
I dont really get ur point since even multiplying the points with the amount of riders nothing changes in the the table |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 05-08-2013 20:32
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Spilak23 wrote:
Bold idea: The top 200 riders in the individual UCI rankings should start the World Championship.
Yeah, giving Italy or Spain a 20+ riders strong team sounds like a good idea.
Imo, there are two big problems with the Worlds qualification system. One is obviously that only half season counts for it, which is stupidly absurd, and I'd love to hear a good argument supporting this. In fact, I'd love to hear an argument supporting this, even if it's not good, cause I don't think that'd be possible. The other is the WT, as its existence means that races like the TDU give as many if not more points than P-R or LBL, and that's not absurd, that's insane.
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