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Who to expect in the Vuelta?
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:36
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Someone else asked this before, but which sprinters are going to be there?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:39
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issoisso wrote:
Because I give more value to actual cycling than to pleasing corporate sponsors, maybe?
Still don't know why should he go to a race that doesn't suit him, and where he has no chance? It's like criticizing Purito for not going to de Ronde and racing a 1.HC race that nobody cares about instead.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:39
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I don't know if it has been linked yet but PCS has this page for their startlists:
https://www.procyc...-Startlist
So in terms of sprinters Degenkolb and Meersman are the only two notable names there.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:40
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Demare could be there too.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:41
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Gesink?
dont think so..he will fuck up 2014 season if he takes Vuelta |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:41
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Someone else asked this before, but which sprinters are going to be there?
Sprinters have only 4 (maybe 5) chances so don't expect to see the top sprinters to show up.
Meersman is supposed to go but the route is really bad for him.
Degenkolb is on the pcs-startlist but is he really planning to ride 3 GT's?
Edited by Spilak23 on 21-07-2013 13:42
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:43
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CountArach wrote:
I don't know if it has been linked yet but PCS has this page for their startlists:
https://www.procyc...-Startlist
So in terms of sprinters Degenkolb and Meersman are the only two notable names there.
Degenkolb is going to ride the Vuelta too? That's a participation in all 3 GT's this season. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:43
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kumazan wrote:
Still don't know why should he go to a race that doesn't suit him, and where he has no chance? It's like criticizing Purito for not going to de Ronde and racing a 1.HC race that nobody cares about instead.
Let's deal with your fallacies one at a time.
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If you consider a race where he'd almost certainly finish on the podium and where all the difference is done in his two biggest strengths - climbing and time trialling - a race that 'doesn't suit him', then he should attend two races per year since apparently those are the only ones that 'suit him'
Second.
A race that doesn't suit him would be the Scheldeprijs.
If having the not exactly perfect type of time trials and climbs for him is a race that 'doesn't suit ' him, which is apparently what you're saying, then it would be like criticizing Purito for not going to the Tour de France. Guess what, Purito went there. Despite having no chance.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:44
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CountArach wrote:
I don't know if it has been linked yet but PCS has this page for their startlists:
https://www.procyc...-Startlist
So in terms of sprinters Degenkolb and Meersman are the only two notable names there.
Third GT for Degenkolb, but the Giro wasn't too long and his form in the Tour not 100%.
I recall he stated the will to participate because of last year somewhere in June or so.
Sprinters are usually confirmed quite a bit later than GC riders, I wouldn't bet on any of the big 3 to participate though.
Edited by cio93 on 21-07-2013 13:46
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:47
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issoisso wrote:
If you consider a race where he'd almost certainly finish on the podium and where all the difference is done in his two biggest strengths - climbing and time trialling - a race that 'doesn't suit him', then he should attend two races per year since apparently those are the only ones that 'suit him'
No way. A race with only one ITT, which is ridiculously short and very hilly, and tons of HTFs and MTFs not only doesn't suit him, but it'd be impossible for a rider like him to finish top 5. A TdF winner doesn't care about finishing the Vuelta 7th, and rightly so.
issoisso wrote:
Second.
A race that doesn't suit him would be the Scheldeprijs.
If having the not exactly perfect type of time trials and climbs for him is a race that 'doesn't suit ' him, which is apparently what you're saying, then it would be like criticizing Purito for not going to the Tour de France. Guess what, Purito went there.
Where did Purito finish in last year's Tour? 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:51
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kumazan wrote:
No way. A race with only one ITT, which is ridiculously short and very hilly, and tons of HTFs and MTFs not only doesn't suit him, but it'd be impossible for a rider like him to finish top 5. A TdF winner doesn't care about finishing the Vuelta 7th, and rightly so.
Wow, you're REALLY stretching credibility.
He was the best climber at the Tour last year after Froome.
kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Second.
A race that doesn't suit him would be the Scheldeprijs.
If having the not exactly perfect type of time trials and climbs for him is a race that 'doesn't suit ' him, which is apparently what you're saying, then it would be like criticizing Purito for not going to the Tour de France. Guess what, Purito went there.
Where did Purito finish in last year's Tour?
The Giro and Vuelta are 1.HC category races? or are they 2.1 like Wiggins?
You keep denying it fervently and I keep saying it: in your desperate attempt to distance yourself from anything spanish you end up criticizing most spanish for things you praise in others.
kumazan wrote:It's like criticizing Purito for not going to de Ronde and racing a 1.HC race that nobody cares about instead.
Edited by issoisso on 21-07-2013 13:52
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-07-2013 13:57
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issoisso wrote:
Wow, you're REALLY stretching credibility.
He was the best climber at the Tour last year after Froome.
Last year, in climbs that suited him, and not hitting the wind for more than 2km in total. It'd be very different in la Vuelta, and you know that.
kumazan wrote:
The Giro and Vuelta are 1.HC category races? or are they 2.1 like Wiggins?
You keep denying it fervently and I keep saying it: in your desperate attempt to distance yourself from anything spanish you end up criticizing most spanish for things you praise in others.
What the fuck are you talking about? Please, play the ball, and don't go ad hominem with me. The point was that Purito, when the Tour was as biased against a pure climber like him as the Vuelta is against a rider like Wiggins, didn't go to the Tour. That's it.
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| romaniangoat |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:00
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Anderxman wrote:
For the final victory in Vuelta 2013 there's not a long name's list... Nibali, Rodriguez, some Colombians like Henao and Betancur, perhaps Majka, Samu Sanchez. Pay attention to Fabio Aru, that caught a fifth position in the 20th stage of Giro d'Italia. Almost all riders that took part in Tour will not be at the Vuelta. Others Grand Tour contender in Vuelta could be Michele Scarponi, Ivan Basso, Gesink. Luis Leon Sanchez is preparing only for Vuelta, if I remember well, and he will be Belkin's leader, I suppose.
Aru and Gesink will not start.Also LLSS will target stage wins.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:04
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I hope Farrar gos. I know there is that huge American race at the time, and he probably would be useless, but I don't see why not. As far as a I know, Garmin don't have anybody for GC going to the Vuelta. And to waste your top sprinter, albeit not that fast, by not sending them to a single GT is ludicrous.I think this would be their chance to let him regain his speed, as he showed progress by winning at the TOC and pdiuming, and could have gotten more if not cut off, in Suisse.
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:13
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Notable sprinters that haven't done a GT yet:
Bos, Bozic, Demare, Farrar, Feillu, Guardini, Hushovd, Hutarovich, Markus, Meersman, Renshaw, Swift, Van Hummel...
Probably missed a few. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:14
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Gesink?
dont think so..he will fuck up 2014 season if he takes Vuelta
Yeah not a chance he will go. He will do colorado and canadian races and then italian classics |
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| Hazard10 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:17
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Alakagom wrote:
Demare could be there too.
So as Elissonde. Would be his first GT.
Edited by Hazard10 on 21-07-2013 14:18
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| Hazard10 |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:19
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Hazard10 wrote:
Alakagom wrote:
Demare could be there too.
So as Elissonde. Would be his first GT in his career.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-07-2013 14:40
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Alakagom wrote:
Demare could be there too.
No, he won't. Soupe will be FDJ's sprinter.
There'll be very few mass sprints, so FDJ didn't see the point of bringing him.
edit : actually, FDJ should have a team looking like this :
Pinot
C. Pineau
Elissonde
Soupe
Casar
Mangel
+ 3 others
Edited by Aquarius on 21-07-2013 14:45
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| atlanta |
Posted on 21-07-2013 15:24
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ruben wrote:
Guido Mukk wrote:
Gesink?
dont think so..he will fuck up 2014 season if he takes Vuelta
Yeah not a chance he will go. He will do colorado and canadian races and then italian classics
Ruben iyo what do you make of the situation, for me Gesink looked real good first week(albeit no mountains) it was wet and plenty of downhills and he looked good then he just went to pot. Do you think like me they have wasted him?, I really think they have wrecked his season why do the TDF as a domestique and lose mins on purpose when he could have rested and done La Vuelta. Stupid to do the TDF aswell imo. Next year for me Gesink should not do the Giro(the climbs don't suit him like they would have done in the past) he should either commit to the TDF, although no way he can podium now . Or really do a nice new schedule and do a nice long first part of season, finish in Romandie rest in may then do Tour de Suisse and Poland then completely rest and do La Vuelta. Surely the Vuelta route will be more balanced and not be the same for 3 years running. He could be really fresh doing the 1 week races and taking may and most of July off, don't you think? Put it this way I believe he will still get that deserved podium. |
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