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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 17-01-2013 19:39
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True.
But stop advertising your thread 
To get back on topic:
Who has a "I love Jesus Christ" bumper sticker?  |
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-01-2013 19:50
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Ian Butler wrote:
True.
But stop advertising your thread
To get back on topic:
Who has a "I love Jesus Christ" bumper sticker?
Nope
A lot of these things around here though:
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 19:50
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Not 'I love Jesus', but I do have 'Jesus isn't a swear word, He's God's Son'  |
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| Daggen |
Posted on 17-01-2013 19:55
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fcancellara wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
True.
But stop advertising your thread
To get back on topic:
Who has a "I love Jesus Christ" bumper sticker?
Nope
A lot of these things around here though:
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 20:08
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I once saw a guy with a sticker that said "I love Jesus" and it had a picture of a sombrero
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-01-2013 20:17
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Neillster wrote:
And where did the mass come from?
To "come from" somewhere implies a notion of time, as in "it was somewhere before".
There was no before. Which I conceive can give one headaches. There was no before because time implies a movement of something. If the tiniest particle of anything is moving somewhere in the universe, then times goes on. But if the whole universe is still, there's no time. There's no before. The mass wasn't coming from anywhere (as far as it's known or accepted nowadays).
A few random thoughts about what I've read in this topic (because I'm not going to quote everything I'd like to answer) :
- "Moses did ..." Apparently there never was a Moses leading Israelis from slavery in Egypt back to Israel. Jesus Christ most likely existed. Buddha too, but Moses didn't. He's a made up character.
Still, if some guys, albeit sinners, got slain because they had settled an unoccupied place, that's a bit harsh. Who were the killers to judge and kill other human beings ? Had they never committed a sin before ? Especially after they had gotten a commandment such as "thou shall not kill".
IMO that just shows what kind of hypocrisy and excess religion can cause.
- Religion has answers to every question, which more or less come down to "that's because of God". Intellectual slavery as written or quoted on the previous page. It's just a convenient way to fill any blank in the state of knowledge. Not because everything can be explained has it to be magic or a show of God's will.
- The non existence of one thing (be it a deity) can never be established. Can you prove a flying teapot has not created the universe ? It might sound ridiculous but you can never prove it 100 %.
- There are enough things to do down here to not care about a God, a future life, etc. Why give a damn about religion ? Beware, I don't mean we should live without any moral consideration.
- Old Testament : God is a bad ass guy who's waiting to punish you. New Testament (gospels) : God is a loving being.
- Jesus Christ existed (according to most or all of serious historians), but besides bigotry, his teachings were mostly common sense rules for people to live together in harmony. That's common sense but that looked like some wild ideas back then. Though, he's one of the many intellectuals or famous characters through the history of mankind whose teachings should inspire us. Needless to overwhelm the guy with "son of God" stuff, or to add a magic aspect to him. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-01-2013 20:20
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cactus-jack wrote:
I once saw a guy with a sticker that said "I love Jesus" and it had a picture of a sombrero
I like this one better :
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-01-2013 20:23
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Aquarius wrote:
To "come from" somewhere implies a notion of time, as in "it was somewhere before".
There was no before. Which I conceive can give one headaches. There was no before because time implies a movement of something. If the tiniest particle of anything is moving somewhere in the universe, then times goes on. But if the whole universe is still, there's no time. There's no before. The mass wasn't coming from anywhere (as far as it's known or accepted nowadays).
I like to think of it in the same headache inducing category that includes quantum physics.
Aquarius wrote:
- "Moses did ..." Apparently there never was a Moses leading Israelis from slavery in Egypt back to Israel. Jesus Christ most likely existed. Buddha too, but Moses didn't. He's a made up character.
Actually, there's no evidence whatsoever of Egyptians keeping the Jewish as slaves. Any evidence that does surface points to the opposite
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:15
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What surprises me the most regarding the poll is the fact that only one person said "Judaism" whilst 13 have voted for "Other".
I'm no expert in religions, but I can't think of what the other ones might be.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:17
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I believe in my own things, so I voted for other
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:18
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cactus-jack wrote:
What surprises me the most regarding the poll is the fact that only one person said "Judaism" whilst 13 have voted for "Other".
I'm no expert in religions, but I can't think of what the other ones might be.
Should have named it 'I'm not taking this serious at all' instead of 'Other', I suppose
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:18
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Aquarius wrote:
Still, if some guys, albeit sinners, got slain because they had settled an unoccupied place, that's a bit harsh. Who were the killers to judge and kill other human beings ? Had they never committed a sin before ? Especially after they had gotten a commandment such as "thou shall not kill".
IMO that just shows what kind of hypocrisy and excess religion can cause.
The commandment isn't thou shalt not kill, but thou shalt not murder. The Canaanites weren't slain because they'd settled the lands, but as punishment for their sins.
- Religion has answers to every question, which more or less come down to "that's because of God". Intellectual slavery as written or quoted on the previous page. It's just a convenient way to fill any blank in the state of knowledge. Not because everything can be explained has it to be magic or a show of God's will.
The faith I have, which takes the Bible as the infallible Word of God, to me, is not a blind faith, and can be reasonably explained. It isn't a blanket to fill the gaps.
- The non existence of one thing (be it a deity) can never be established. Can you prove a flying teapot has not created the universe ? It might sound ridiculous but you can never prove it 100 %.
Totally agree. But then again, God doesn't try to prove God. Genesis 1v1 'In the beginning, God created...' The Bible doesn't feel the need to explain the presence of God.
- Old Testament : God is a bad ass guy who's waiting to punish you. New Testament (gospels) : God is a loving being.
God shows His love right through the Old Testament, from his care of Noah, to providing Abraham with a child, to caring for David, right through. You're right in saying that we do see plenty of God's judgement on the sins of the world, as even today. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:25
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Neillster wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Still, if some guys, albeit sinners, got slain because they had settled an unoccupied place, that's a bit harsh. Who were the killers to judge and kill other human beings ? Had they never committed a sin before ? Especially after they had gotten a commandment such as "thou shall not kill".
IMO that just shows what kind of hypocrisy and excess religion can cause.
The commandment isn't thou shalt not kill, but thou shalt not murder. The Canaanites weren't slain because they'd settled the lands, but as punishment for their sins.
- Religion has answers to every question, which more or less come down to "that's because of God". Intellectual slavery as written or quoted on the previous page. It's just a convenient way to fill any blank in the state of knowledge. Not because everything can be explained has it to be magic or a show of God's will.
The faith I have, which takes the Bible as the infallible Word of God, to me, is not a blind faith, and can be reasonably explained. It isn't a blanket to fill the gaps.
- The non existence of one thing (be it a deity) can never be established. Can you prove a flying teapot has not created the universe ? It might sound ridiculous but you can never prove it 100 %.
Totally agree. But then again, God doesn't try to prove God. Genesis 1v1 'In the beginning, God created...' The Bible doesn't feel the need to explain the presence of God.
- Old Testament : God is a bad ass guy who's waiting to punish you. New Testament (gospels) : God is a loving being.
God shows His love right through the Old Testament, from his care of Noah, to providing Abraham with a child, to caring for David, right through. You're right in saying that we do see plenty of God's judgement on the sins of the world, as even today.
This is the kind of thing which terrifies us who don't believe (and hopefully most who do believe). You believe mass genocide is a suitable punishment for sin, a set of rules your God laid down, which he has decided we have already broken just by being born due to the fall of Adam and Eve.
I cannot put into words just how utterly disgusting and terrifying that point of view is.
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:31
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Crommy wrote:
This is the kind of thing which terrifies us who don't believe (and hopefully most who do believe). You believe mass genocide is a suitable punishment for sin, a set of rules your God laid down, which he has decided we have already broken just by being born due to the fall of Adam and Eve.
I cannot put into words just how utterly disgusting and terrifying that point of view is.
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:38
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Crommy wrote:
This is the kind of thing which terrifies us who don't believe (and hopefully most who do believe). You believe mass genocide is a suitable punishment for sin, a set of rules your God laid down, which he has decided we have already broken just by being born due to the fall of Adam and Eve.
I cannot put into words just how utterly disgusting and terrifying that point of view is.
Well, it is not by being born that we have broken God's law, but we are born with a sinful nature, which can't stop sinning, no matter how hard we may try. This is not the most grievous punishment for sin. The most grievous punishment fell upon Jesus Christ on the cross, where He, the only one who has been able to live this perfect sinless life, was nailed to the cross to suffer God's judgement for the sins of His people. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:45
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Neillster wrote:
Crommy wrote:
This is the kind of thing which terrifies us who don't believe (and hopefully most who do believe). You believe mass genocide is a suitable punishment for sin, a set of rules your God laid down, which he has decided we have already broken just by being born due to the fall of Adam and Eve.
I cannot put into words just how utterly disgusting and terrifying that point of view is.
Well, it is not by being born that we have broken God's law, but we are born with a sinful nature, which can't stop sinning, no matter how hard we may try. This is not the most grievous punishment for sin. The most grievous punishment fell upon Jesus Christ on the cross, where He, the only one who has been able to live this perfect sinless life, was nailed to the cross to suffer God's judgement for the sins of His people.
Ok, so God, who made us, made us so that we have no choice but to break the laws...which he set. Can you see why that's morally wrong?
And you have not addressed that you believe genocide is acceptable as punishment for sin.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:46
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One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:47
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Crommy wrote:
Ok, so God, who made us, made us so that we have no choice but to break the laws...which he set.
Erm, I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'd say that God person has sadistic tendencies, hasn't he ? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:53
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baseballlover312 wrote:
One big reason I believe in God is a soul. I just don't see how a bunch of organs, even one as amazing as the brain can make me be me. Me control myself. I can't exactly explain it, but I know it's more than guts causing that.
As far as I know, nothing proves a soul or something alike survives a body, or existed prior to it.
When we're thinking, behaving, moving, etc. it's "just" electrical signals going to/inside/from the brain. Emotions are chemical reactions (that's why medicines for psychological diseases are chemicals that aim to have a specific effect on the brain - warning, giant leap in the explanation).
It's all very fascinating, and not too well explained, plus I'm far from having the maximal knowledge on the subject, but I'm not certain there's anything mystical or magical in there.
I can't see a thing that'd tend to prove a deity or a celestial being of some sort would have put something like a soul into our physical bodies. |
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| Neillster |
Posted on 17-01-2013 21:55
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Crommy wrote:
Ok, so God, who made us, made us so that we have no choice but to break the laws...which he set. Can you see why that's morally wrong?
And you have not addressed that you believe genocide is acceptable as punishment for sin.
No, the only ones who did have a free choice, Adam and Eve, made the wrong choice, thus condemning all of us. 'For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.' 1 Corinthians 15:22.
As to is genocide acceptable, if God orchestrates it, yes. He has worked this out through history, with for example, the flood.
This does not include all those which we have seen since the death of Christ, and many of the ones before it. |
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