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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-04-2013 10:05
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@Pelli
mostly bias that i want Pete with a high PLG stat tbh 
but Josh does need lowering.
Also i am sure Alak watched Roubaix and the other Flanders classics guys
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 08-04-2013 10:28
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Blueprint wrote:
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Cancellara up to 84 COB?
May be biased but he was very dominant in the classics.
Or perhaps raise his secondary stats?
Cancellara doesn't need any boosting. With the current PCM.Daily stats, all major cobbled classics are already being dominated by Boonen and Cancellara, no need to make that even more excessive.
Very true. And to be honest, he didn't dominate Roubaix like he did Vlaanderen. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 08-04-2013 10:31
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I agree Cancellara is where he should be, with a lot of riders improving (most obvious ones Stybar and Vandenbergh I guess). And can we get Hushovd properly declined now?
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| IvanGil |
Posted on 08-04-2013 14:13
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When the update is available?
ASTANA
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 08-04-2013 14:23
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Cancellara wins almost all the time in the game with 82 COB , with 84 would be insane . Think also that Boonen and Ballan did not participate so to beat Venmarcke , Roelands , Sagan , Chava , Van Avemeat , etc you dont need 84 
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| ppanther |
Posted on 08-04-2013 14:45
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@Blueprint: Off-Topic, but i saw you changed the young riders file. Is it possible to set rider types to different regions? What i mean is, for example, its not quite realistic if a colombian or basque rider is a cobble specialist with 7 potential. |
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| Blueprint |
Posted on 08-04-2013 15:45
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ppanther wrote:
@Blueprint: Off-Topic, but i saw you changed the young riders file. Is it possible to set rider types to different regions? What i mean is, for example, its not quite realistic if a colombian or basque rider is a cobble specialist with 7 potential.
That is not set in the xml files, but in the sta_region table of the database. |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 08-04-2013 15:46
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IvanGil wrote:
When the update is available?
When it's done. I guess a week after Ardennes or so.
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| warchex |
Posted on 09-04-2013 12:12
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Which stats deserves Kristoff and Ciolek?
Ciolek "only" has a win in M-SR as a good result so far this year, but on the other hand he didn't participate in many spring classics. To follow the best riders opp Cipressa and Pogio, he must have a respectable hil stat, and of course sta. But how good should he be?
Kristoff shows that the third place in OL last year wasn't any coinsidence with good results this year. In the big classics he accived 8th in M-SR, 4th in RVV and 9th in P-R. He allways won the sprint in the second and third group in these races, so i think he deserves a very good sta and a good flat and sprint, but not the best cob stats. Winning a stage in Panne and second overall is not bad either, when you think of the riders he fought against.
What do you guys think?
About Hushovd, i agree he should have reduced stats now. He has struggled with illnes a long time, but in my opinion it cant be considered. What about a ok+ potential? Im not an expert on how this potential works out, so i would appreciate opinions.
What about riders like Ballan? Same stats, but a "Injured" status until June or so?
One last thing, Pozzatto is over the hill. His COB stats are far to high i think. |
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| roturn |
Posted on 09-04-2013 12:16
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Ciolek actually had more than "just" MSR.
Stage win in Driedaagse van West-Vlaanderen, 5th in Trofeo Laigueglia, 11th in Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and a 3rd and 4th in Tirreno Adriatico.
Unfortunately he was ill after his MSR win and couldn`t participate in 2-3 races he wanted to ride. Or they weren`t invited to others. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-04-2013 12:29
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warchex wrote:
One last thing, Pozzatto is over the hill. His COB stats are far to high i think.
He isn't over the hill. He has the 'Pozzato-syndrome'. One win and he is satisfied, he just seems to be trying less after he wins a race. Won Laiguelie quite early this year showing good form but his form seemingly didn't improve over March. Last year, he only got his first win in late April and rode a strong classics season.
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| warchex |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:25
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So you mean that the "Pozzato-syndrome" should be considered and he should maintaine his cobstats? As far as i know, it isn't even one cobbelstone section in that race. With all respect to the race, but Laiguelie isn't a big classic either.
It would be the same as Hushovd being satisfied with the comeback after the win in Haut Var, and dont accive anything after.
About Ciolek, i forgot his victory in Driedaagse, and he has proven him self being a stronger rider this year. It's difficult, he has to be given good stats so he can possible win M-SR, but not so good that he dominates the smaller races. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:30
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Maybe Pozzatos cobble stats could be decreased a little bit, but i think a 22th place in Paris-Roubaix couldn't be considered that bad. I don't know his stats exactly (something about 78 cobbles i guess), but i think he still deserves something about 76. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:37
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warchex wrote:
So you mean that the "Pozzato-syndrome" should be considered and he should maintaine his cobstats? As far as i know, it isn't even one cobbelstone section in that race. With all respect to the race, but Laiguelie isn't a big classic either.
It would be the same as Hushovd being satisfied with the comeback after the win in Haut Var, and dont accive anything after.
What I mean is that when he is focused, Pozzato is one of the best classics riders in the peloton. Winning Laiguelia made him lose his interest, less foccused. He was never at the front when he should have been. Not for Paterberg in E3, not for Oude Kwaremont in Ronde, Not for Arenberg and Mons en Pevele in Roubaix. Not to forget he crashed/was held up by a crash in Roubaix aswell.
In my opinion, only Boonen, Cancellara, Sagan and Ballan should have a higher cobble stat as him. Flecha, Langeveld, Vanmarcke, Roelandts and Van Avermaet are for me also on the same level as him, just a bit lower. Cause they never proved to be able to follow the Boonen or Cancellara over cobbles, Pozzato did. But that is just how I see it.
Edited by Spilak23 on 09-04-2013 13:41
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:37
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I don't think we should lower Pozatto from 79 to 76 . He was just in bad shape , dunno , I usually don't like to lower smb' stats just because he failed to do some good races in 2-3 weeks . And yea i agree Ballan , Boonen and Cance are 80+ , better than him , but I doubt Sagan . He does well in Ronde cuz he is good on climbs , but not so good on cobbles (i suggest 78-79 max )
Edited by alex valceanu on 09-04-2013 13:39
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:42
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alex valceanu wrote:
I don't think we should lower Pozatto from 79 to 76 . He was just in bad shape , dunno , I usually don't like to lower smb' stats just because he failed to do some good races in 2-3 weeks . And yea i agree Ballan , Boonen and Cance are 80+ , better than him , but I doubt Sagan . He does well in Ronde cuz he is good on climbs , but not so good on cobbles (i suggest 78-79 max )
Experience tells me the hill stat doesn't have much influence during cobbled stages. You can have a 5 km hill with cobbles, still the cobblers will be the best, not the punchers.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:45
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alex valceanu wrote:
but I doubt Sagan . He does well in Ronde cuz he is good on climbs , but not so good on cobbles (i suggest 78-79 max )
Yeah, not good on cobbles,just won G-W and was 2nd at RvV and E3, just coincidence.
When i saw how Cancellara was doing in Paris Roubaix, i have very little doubts Sagan would win the race, if staying on the bike and actually riding it.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 09-04-2013 13:47
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:58
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
alex valceanu wrote:
but I doubt Sagan . He does well in Ronde cuz he is good on climbs , but not so good on cobbles (i suggest 78-79 max )
Yeah, not good on cobbles,just won G-W and was 2nd at RvV and E3, just coincidence.
When i saw how Cancellara was doing in Paris Roubaix, i have very little doubts Sagan would win the race, if staying on the bike and actually riding it.
Well, I think that Sagan would have an harder time winning Roubaix than he would have winning RvV. I wouldn't give him 81/82 cobbles, maybe about 79. Possibly 80, but I would say 79.
His hill ability helps him a bit with winning RvV in PCM anyway
Edited by Jesleyh on 09-04-2013 14:00
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 09-04-2013 13:59
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There are only 2 81+ cobblers, Boonen (81) and Cancellara (82-83)
Then you have Ballan (80), Flecha (79), Sagan (79), Vanmarcke (78), Pozzato (78), Langeveld (78), Boom (78), Roelandts (77), Van Avermaet (77)
Way down is Hushovd (75). We use two years, well last year he couldn't cause he was injured and this year was just poor.
Pozzo was sub-par this year, but was stellar last year. He shouldn't be one of the top, but only just behind.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 09-04-2013 14:02
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@TMM How about Terpstra? He had an offday at RvV(and didn't lead), but was pretty good in Roubaix...
78? Maybe 79, or is that too high?
Edited by Jesleyh on 09-04-2013 14:04
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