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| kumazan |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:17
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lluuiiggii wrote:
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Will this ban give Andy Schleck the opurtunity that he wants?
No, the opportunity Schleck wanted already came to him in 2011.. the Tour 2012 has too many TT kms for him.
Nope, Candy got his opportunity with this, and he took it. He's got the 2010 TdF. The one and only he'll ever win (barrying injuries or other stuff, obviously).
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:19
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And I'm not convinced the TT kilometres would stop him any more than his own inabilty to attack. Maybe they'll even force him to attack.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:19
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pcm2009fan wrote:
it's not Alberto's fault that they can't sort out a case before he races again.. It was his lawyers who canceled the hearings at the CAS, and they do what they are paid for, so don't blame anybody else than Contador itself.
Why do many of you argue about the length of the ban? It is the same for all cyclists who committed an anti-doping rule violation, no matter who it is.
BTW: https://www.tas-ca....02.06.pdf
(Edit: I just noticed it has been posted before)
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| paquito |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:29
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I only feel sad that it will probably mean the tour will probably be less exciting this year, who do you think will be the most agressive GC candidate this year? i mean the likes of evans are not exactly the most explosive riders around... |
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Posted on 06-02-2012 19:47
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I would say riders like Sanchez, Basso, Nibali can also compete for the win, actually, alot of riders can end up winning. Based on their TT skills. If they can just hang on..
As for Saxo Bank, it's now being said that UCI will discuss their Pro Tour License. I'm wondering if they can keep it, based on the fact that all this happend while Contador was on contract at Astana?
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Posted on 06-02-2012 19:48
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But there is one thing I don't get.
Contador is banned for 2 years, but he may not ride races until August. But banning means not riding races, right???
EDIT: Oh, 2 years from 2010. Right?
Edited by fcancellara on 06-02-2012 19:52
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| ruben |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:52
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it will make life easy on Evans...and possibly open up a window for Tour victory for Menchov
tour isnt suited to schleck, and without contador its going to be Menchov vs Evans I think |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 19:54
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This morning it was Breaking News
Now i am really P****D off with hearing the name Contador |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:10
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ruben wrote:
it will make life easy on Evans...and possibly open up a window for Tour victory for Menchov
tour isnt suited to schleck, and without contador its going to be Menchov vs Evans I think
My main question for 2012 is whether or not Menchov is done, or if 2011 was just a bad year.
He has good excuses, but then again every rider who starts to get old and fade always has good excuses about how it was an off year and won't happen again...and then it does.
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Posted on 06-02-2012 20:18
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Some funny comments around here. People should think with their minds instead of their hearts, pride, or whatever. That'd make more sense.
What makes a star or a champion ? Victories, mostly. Achievements in a more general way. Get rid of Contador and... many more have won races.
Don't overlook seconds because they were beaten by a cheater.
It's been a long time so he shouldn't be banned ? Well, though Contador (and his back up team of lawyers) wasn't the only one to do so, how many time has the decision been appealed ?
He wins races, so he shouldn't be banned ? Right. Doping is bad, but when it makes you win races.
His rivals cheat as much ? Maybe (probable even), but one's cheating doesn't make it ok for the other one's cheating. And what of the honest ones ? Oh well, who cares about them, isn't it ?
Set the hematocrit rate at a defined threshold ? That was case pre epo-test. Back in 1997, till 2000. Wasn't really fair actually... Natural levels of heamtocrits fluctuate a lot in a sample of population. From 40 to ... 52 for men. Some could take loads of EPO, some would be outside the law without it. Set it at 55 ? Get aspirin, ambulances, and coroners ready...
He didn't need it, he'd still win ? Right, he won for 17 seconds with it... His level, would he be genuinely clean, is just speculation. From a grupetto rider to a top 5 contender at best. We can't say, we can't know.
Not much to add to what Crue True said about the case itself.
All of this is true, except for the fact that Contador has not been banned for the use of doping, but due to the fact that he could not prove how he got the substance in his blood.
So its not really fair to label him as a cheater.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:29
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issoisso wrote:
ruben wrote:
it will make life easy on Evans...and possibly open up a window for Tour victory for Menchov
tour isnt suited to schleck, and without contador its going to be Menchov vs Evans I think
My main question for 2012 is whether or not Menchov is done, or if 2011 was just a bad year.
He has good excuses, but then again every rider who starts to get old and fade always has good excuses about how it was an off year and won't happen again...and then it does.
After 2008 this is the best and last chance for him to win the Tour. Hopefully 2011 was just a bad year because of the whole Geox situation. In the closing stages of La Vuelta he looked quite well actually. Would be nice to see another rider winning all the Gran Tours. 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:30
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Ennyzor wrote:
All of this is true, except for the fact that Contador has not been banned for the use of doping, but due to the fact that he could not prove how he got the substance in his blood.
So its not really fair to label him as a cheater.
What?
You mean he wasn't able to provide an explanation as to why a DOPING SUBSTANCE was found in his fluids.
Edited by issoisso on 06-02-2012 20:31
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| kumazan |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:39
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issoisso wrote:
Ennyzor wrote:
All of this is true, except for the fact that Contador has not been banned for the use of doping, but due to the fact that he could not prove how he got the substance in his blood.
So its not really fair to label him as a cheater.
What?
You mean he wasn't able to provide an explanation as to why a DOPING SUBSTANCE was found in his fluids.
That's the official position of the Spanish propaganda at the moment, "hey they banned them, but they couldn't prove he was doping! Victory!... Meanwhile, let's blame the French." Apparently, it has reached Denmark (without the anti-French bit, obviously, that wouldn't make sense there).
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 06-02-2012 20:40
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issoisso wrote:
Ennyzor wrote:
All of this is true, except for the fact that Contador has not been banned for the use of doping, but due to the fact that he could not prove how he got the substance in his blood.
So its not really fair to label him as a cheater.
What?
You mean he wasn't able to provide an explanation as to why a DOPING SUBSTANCE was found in his fluids.
Well, a very small amount with no effect on a riders performance unless used as blood doping (which CAS ruled as unlikely). |
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Posted on 06-02-2012 20:40
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So it's OK to use EPO as long as they only find a small amount of it?
You can bend it as much as you like. It's still a doping offence, for which Contador has received a standard 2 year ban.
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Posted on 06-02-2012 20:43
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Ennyzor wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Ennyzor wrote:
All of this is true, except for the fact that Contador has not been banned for the use of doping, but due to the fact that he could not prove how he got the substance in his blood.
So its not really fair to label him as a cheater.
What?
You mean he wasn't able to provide an explanation as to why a DOPING SUBSTANCE was found in his fluids.
Well, a very small amount with no effect on a riders performance unless used as blood doping (which CAS ruled as unlikely).
Usually such a litle amount is found when they have been at a training camp lets says contador took the drugs and when he fought the effects had worn off took that blood out and injected it before the tourmalet stage. Plus Clenboutroal is not a naturally produced product in the body so even a small amount suggest doping at some point. |
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Posted on 06-02-2012 22:18
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kumazan wrote:
That's the official position of the Spanish propaganda at the moment, "hey they banned them, but they couldn't prove he was doping! Victory!... Meanwhile, let's blame the French." Apparently, it has reached Denmark (without the anti-French bit, obviously, that wouldn't make sense there).
Man, this is so one-sided and unfair. We'd all feel more properly balanced around here if only the Danes would put the blame on us too.  |
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Posted on 06-02-2012 22:27
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Not yet, but won't deny that it happens eventually |
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Posted on 06-02-2012 22:52
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Ybodonk wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
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1. Not end of Saxobank. He will come back and win the vuelta.
2. If he is lucky, and they find some kind of agreement, then they maybe will withdraw a couple of months of punishment ?
3. There is over 40 cases of clenbuterol USAGES in ELITE sport, where every single one of the athlete had a HIGHER clenbuterol level than contador - and ALL OF THESE ATHLETES was found NOT GUILTY.
4. This is a disgrace against the sport. Its a witch hunt, and a very very sad day for the sport.
5. TDF will miss the biggest Star since Armstrong, no doubt. This will def. cost the sport money in sponsorships, spectators and other PR stuff.
6.IMO Contador is as guilty as the rest of TDF top 5. He has not done anything more wrong than them.
7. F. Schelck Paid E. Fuentes 6691 EURO, that is IMO way more guilty and suspicious than this clenbuterol case.
Its so fkn sad. And F. Schleck never did get any punishment, since UCI, WADA etc bought the bullshit explaination; I was paying for training programs. YEAH RIGHT - most idiotic explaination ever and he wasnt even charged.
1. Meh, maybe
2. As opposed to his 5 taken off already, and the very leniate ban.
3. Yeah, this is cycling. It's banned, end of.
4. So you (and others) say. I call it justice however, he did something against the rules and got punished. Fair?
5. Army missing didn't do last years tour any harm. Or this years TDU actually, which despite Armstrong not being there INCREASED in popularity.
6. Except the clenbuterol thing...
7. Yeah, it's a dumb system. He should be punished, but won't.
Since you are an administrator of the site i suppose you have followed cycling for more than a decade just like me. I hournestly dont believe that he is more doped than the rest of top 5. It is very naive to think that the top 5 now is "clean" just because they havent been tested positive. How come it be that the top 5 GT riders in the world are driving faster on the mountains than armstrong ever did ? Armstrong and his era was a doping era, almost everyone around him has been tested positive. Hes biggest rivals was all excluded for diff. doping cases. So if the TDF king armstrong who was so immortal in the TDF, was pure, but everyone around him wasnt, and now all todays generation are driving EVEN FASTER than these guys, should be "clean/pure"? Its a very naive thought.
I love cycling, i wouldnt mind if doping was legal to a certain level, so we could stop KILLING our beloved sport.
Contador is without doubt the biggest asset Cycling has ATM.
Doping- legal- save cycling????? What the heck???
That's like saying that we should let someone take over the world so we wouldn't have to fight them anymore.
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Posted on 06-02-2012 23:00
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#3. What about Fuyu Li, what about Alessandro Colo?
#4 Letting him ride after he was found guilty was a disgrace imo. Just because it was someones favourite rider it was a disgrace though that he was being banned (What has this world come to?).......
And they hardly like Conta anyway after chaingate. I would go on record and say they like Voeckler, Rolland and Andy more.
And why bring up Schlecks case? Completely irrelevant.
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