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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-10-2012 20:56
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-10-2012 21:59
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It's funny how nearly all of Armstrongs supporters use the cancer-thingy in his defence. It's even more laughable when they at the same time tell you off for not differentiating between "Lance, the cyclist" and "Lance, the cancer survivor".
Yes, he has made a huge contribution to the fight against cancer, but Livestrong is built up around his fame and money, two things he gained by cheating.
I only started following cycling in 2003 (that's when the Norwegian media started broadcasting the Tour), but it didn't take long untill I knew who Lance was. I was young and I looked at him with great admiration. I had a vague concept of doping, but that only made me more impressed when it came to Lance Armstrong.
To me he was a cancer survivor who rode clean and was able to win the Tour an unprecedented 7 times while beating riders who were doped to the gills. It was truly a fairytale.
And I guess that's all it was. A fairytale.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-10-2012 22:07
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cactus-jack wrote:
Yes, he has made a huge contribution to the fight against cancer
Did he? The investigation into the Livestrong foundation a couple of years ago showed very clearly that they don't give a cent to either cancer treatments or cancer research.
All the money goes to what they call "Raising cancer awareness"....because people don't know about cancer apparently 
Essentially the money pays for expensive trips for Lance and the others around the world to stay at expensive resorts and eat expensive meals, while making speeches about how "Cancer is Bad".
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 22-10-2012 22:16
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Ahh... see, I didn't know that. If that's the case; up yours, mister lack-a-testie.
Still, he has made a contribution none the less. It's funny how former cyclist Dag Erik Pedersen posted a photo on Facebook where he had cut his Livestrong-bracelet into pieces along with a veeery sentimental message about how his hero was no more, etc.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-10-2012 22:21
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issoisso wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
Yes, he has made a huge contribution to the fight against cancer
Did he? The investigation into the Livestrong foundation a couple of years ago showed very clearly that they don't give a cent to either cancer treatments or cancer research.
All the money goes to what they call "Raising cancer awareness"....because people don't know about cancer apparently
Essentially the money pays for expensive trips for Lance and the others around the world to stay at expensive resorts and eat expensive meals, while making speeches about how "Cancer is Bad".
That plus apparently money is moving from bank account to bank account, between Armstrong's, Tailwind Sports, Livestrong, and whatever else, depending where it's needed.
If I were to give money to the fight against cancer, surely I'd rather give it to a proper charity, rather than wasting it in Mr Armstrong's pocket... |
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Posted on 22-10-2012 22:44
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cactus-jack wrote:
"Due to the recent events in the Armstrong-saga, the only confirmed clean rider of the last decade can now recieve his Tour-wins."
The first clean rider in the 2005 tour was Xabier Zandio... He was 21st...
AND THAT aint him
Edited by miggi133 on 22-10-2012 22:44
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 23-10-2012 00:27
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miggi133 wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
"Due to the recent events in the Armstrong-saga, the only confirmed clean rider of the last decade can now recieve his Tour-wins."
The first clean rider in the 2005 tour was Xabier Zandio... He was 21st...
AND THAT aint him Way to get the joke.. And how did you even come up with Zandio as the first clean rider? As far as i know Evans, Zubeldia, Julich, Guerini and Sastre where as "clean" as Zandio.
Edited by Metriz- on 23-10-2012 00:30
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 23-10-2012 11:07
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I have been told at least 4 times by different people today that Armstrong was the cleanest cyclist ever and that he never failed a drug test. Goes to show what people who know nothing about cycling think.
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Posted on 23-10-2012 11:10
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issoisso wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
Yes, he has made a huge contribution to the fight against cancer
Did he? The investigation into the Livestrong foundation a couple of years ago showed very clearly that they don't give a cent to either cancer treatments or cancer research.
All the money goes to what they call "Raising cancer awareness"....because people don't know about cancer apparently
Essentially the money pays for expensive trips for Lance and the others around the world to stay at expensive resorts and eat expensive meals, while making speeches about how "Cancer is Bad".
NONONONONONONONONO Please tell me this isnt true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!!!!
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-10-2012 12:23
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That's Armstrong's foundation? He can't do anything right...  |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 23-10-2012 12:25
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If the foundation has the goal to "raise cancer awareness", then I see no problem with it.
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Posted on 23-10-2012 12:34
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More and more riders admitting it now, former Armstrong helper Norwegian Steffen Kjærgaard admits doping before and while at US Postal.
https://www.vg.no/sport/sykkel/artikke...d=10055124 (Norwegian)
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-10-2012 12:36
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Lachi wrote:
If the foundation has the goal to "raise cancer awareness", then I see no problem with it.
I agree it is not something like fraud, but raising awarness to ilness which everybody knows of and almost everybody knows someone who died on it? Sorry, but i see it as personnal advertisment at first.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-10-2012 12:41
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I don't see how it's good to donate money so that Armstrong will buy a first-class ticket of it to Honolulu to go and talk about what happened to him, sorry.
I'd rather see my money going to scientific research for cancer. They're already on it, no need to tell them it's a bad thing. I think they know... |
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 23-10-2012 15:15
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Seems an oddly spun way to 'raise awareness for cancer'. It's a bit like robbing a bank and arguing in mitigation that since you were wearing 'end world hunger t-shirts' during the raid, you and your gang were really there to raise awareness for the third world hunger problem. It's the new logic, yet again.
They should just take all current cyclists out to the middle of the Atlantic and drop them in. Those who manage to swim to shore are clearly doping and should be shot on the beach they swam to. Then we can have a nice clean 2013 season. With 4 riders. </end disillusioned cynicism>
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| CountArach |
Posted on 23-10-2012 15:18
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Lachi wrote:
If the foundation has the goal to "raise cancer awareness", then I see no problem with it.
I agree it is not something like fraud, but raising awarness to ilness which everybody knows of and almost everybody knows someone who died on it? Sorry, but i see it as personnal advertisment at first.
To be fair, "awareness" can mean many things, such as awareness of preventative techniques, like wearing sunblock outside to prevent skin cancer. I don't know if that is what Livestrong do, but it is a possible explanation.
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 23-10-2012 15:43
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TheManxMissile wrote:
issoisso wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
Yes, he has made a huge contribution to the fight against cancer
Did he? The investigation into the Livestrong foundation a couple of years ago showed very clearly that they don't give a cent to either cancer treatments or cancer research.
All the money goes to what they call "Raising cancer awareness"....because people don't know about cancer apparently
Essentially the money pays for expensive trips for Lance and the others around the world to stay at expensive resorts and eat expensive meals, while making speeches about how "Cancer is Bad".
NONONONONONONONONO Please tell me this isnt true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE!!!!!!
Everything you need to know about Livestrong:
www.outsideonline...
https://nyvelocity...ds-outside
Very important to read the second article after you read the first.
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I have been told at least 4 times by different people today that Armstrong was the cleanest cyclist ever and that he never failed a drug test. Goes to show what people who know nothing about cycling think.
Einaym lachem vlo yiru...
And yes, I am too lazy to use the virtual Hebrew keyboard...
Edited by Deadpool on 23-10-2012 15:45
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 23-10-2012 16:02
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As Heine mentioned a few posts up, Steffen Kjærgaard has now admitted to using EPO whilst at Chicky World and later US Postal. He has in the past said he new nothing about doping being used at US Postal, and if it did happen he wasn't aware of it. He also gets the award for the least believable story ever.
Even though I had a suspicion that something must have been going on, I hoped I'de never see the day a norwegian cyclist was charged with doping. This is absolutely devastating for me, I must say.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-10-2012 19:20
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Indurain believes Armstrong is innocent, and Valverde finds the sanction unfair and believes cycling shouldn't look backwards.
When are they going to give cyclists a dope that grows brains ? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-10-2012 19:27
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It's telling how Indurain worded it: "He always abided by the rules". So, it's not cheating if you don't get caught, logical considering the era he rode on.
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