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Le Tour de France 2014 - Stage 10 - Mulhouse - La Planche des Belles Filles
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:39
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Jacdk wrote:
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What about Quintana this year, Nibali last year and countless others before who set their sights on the Giro?
Please, as I've said before, just try and either remember some facts or if you can't remember them, do some research before you make these sweeping statements. Your attitude is clearly annoying many people on the forum (me included) yet you don't really seem to be that bothered, or willing to do anything to change it to a more positive tone. 
What about Quintana?
And honestly i don't care what you feel, if your annoyed then dont respond, its not that hard.
Anyways feel free to call it history in the making, call it the greatest thing in cycling since the wheel was invented. i will call it as it is.
for me winning 3 tours is great but its not "history in the making" great.
You have a bizarre outlook on life. The whole point is that you aren't annoying in the first place, not that I'm the one to blame for having to sift through your stream of barely tangible consciousness. It's a bit like declaring war on someone and then criticizing them for trying to defend themselves, what else do you expect they're going to do?
I'd quite like to know what your criteria for a rider who creates history is, since in your current definition of a rider who wins three tours not being worthy enough of historical significance you seem to be ruling out people like Gaul, LeMond, Fignon and Bobet who I would probably consider people who were ever so slightly significant in the history of the sport, but I won't as I don't really want to carry on feeding the troll, which as I know from past experience never turns out well.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:40
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Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way  . |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:41
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TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Well Im disappointed in Valverde too, but Im probably the only one thats sad about it
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:43
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TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Not really. Valverde doesn't have exactly what you'd call a good record when it comes to the Tour 
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:45
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valverde321 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Well Im disappointed in Valverde too, but Im probably the only one thats sad about it
Can't say I'm sad, indeed . I'm sad for Mollema being bad. Still Mollema should get top 10 though. You aren't sad about that either I think. |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:47
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TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
How is the guy who looks like he gets what he came for (podium, 3rd on stage today, 3rd in GC) the biggest disappointment, when guys like Mollema, VDB or Rui Costa are way below expectations?
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:47
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alexkr00 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Not really. Valverde doesn't have exactly what you'd call a good record when it comes to the Tour
He's only not crashed once I think. That was in 2008 when he peaked too early iirc. Last year I think he would have got a podium if not for Belkin on the echelon stage. That was definitely his best chance.
TimoCycling wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Well Im disappointed in Valverde too, but Im probably the only one thats sad about it
Can't say I'm sad, indeed . I'm sad for Mollema being bad. Still Mollema should get top 10 though. You aren't sad about that either I think.
Nah, I like Mollema
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:49
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Shonak wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
How is the guy who looks like he gets what he came for (podium, 3rd on stage today, 3rd in GC) the biggest disappointment, when guys like Mollema, VDB or Rui Costa are way below expectations?
With Froome and Contador gone he should be better, and around Nibali's level imo. He is still good in the GC, but he doesn't impress me so far. VDB is a bigger disappointment, but I expected Valverde to be better aswell. Don't think he will improve coming 2 weeks.
EDIT: Also, VDB was expected atleast top 5, and Costa and Mollema were never top 5 contenders imo always places 6-10 wich is exactly where they are right now. Still I expected Mollema to be better, but that is my own expectations.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:51
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valverde321 wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Not really. Valverde doesn't have exactly what you'd call a good record when it comes to the Tour
He's only not crashed once I think. That was in 2008 when he peaked too early iirc. Last year I think he would have got a podium if not for Belkin on the echelon stage. That was definitely his best chance.
Well, he's 3rd at the moment. So not exactly a disappointment. I'd say he's doing better than his average Tour 
As for the others. Yes, Mollema and VDB are quite disappointing so far, but I'd say Costa is doing quite good till now for a rider who hasn't got any GC references in a GT so far.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:52
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TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Afterall he is 3rd, more than you could expect at this point. He is on par with Porte and the rest of those right under Nibbles. Sure, I would have like too see him a bit better today and 2 days ago. On the other hand, I think (or at least hope ) that he'll peak in the 3rd weak as he chose to ride Route du Sud instead of Dauphine. That COULD speak to little later peak, but who knows.
It actually surprises me you see him as a disappointment so far. You probably dont like Valverde, but given he never has gotten a podium in Tour de France, I would say he is pretty content as of now. The biggest disappointment for me is Talansky so far, I had him on my top-5. Also, I think Mollema is more "disappointing" so far than Valverde, I expected a little more from him. (Im sure you dutch guys did this as well?)
Ruben: what a classy comment! If Valverde had the legs that Nibali got, Im sure we would see him up the slopes. Unfortunetely he hadn't. You cant seriously blame him for that. And its not like Mollema is the most aggressive rider either when speaking of wheelsucking, is it? |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:53
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Valverde did apparently say he doesn't ride well in the rain, so possibly a little room for improvement but that is one of those bs things riders often say, so we'll see.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:54
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alexkr00 wrote:
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for me winning 3 tours is great but its not "history in the making" great.
Of course it's not. It's very common to see a rider put his name in the list of winners of all 3 Grand Tours.
Right and is that because no one can or because the top riders all set their goal for Tour De France.
You dont need to respond that was incase you haven't heard it before a rhetorical question. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:54
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Riis123 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Afterall he is 3rd, more than you could expect at this point. He is on par with Porte and the rest of those right under Nibbles. Sure, I would have like too see him a bit better today and 2 days ago. On the other hand, I think (or at least hope ) that he'll peak in the 3rd weak as he chose to ride Route du Sud instead of Dauphine. That COULD speak to little later peak, but who knows.
It actually surprises me you see him as a disappointment so far. You probably dont like Valverde, but given he never has gotten a podium in Tour de France, I would say he is pretty content as of now. The biggest disappointment for me is Talansky so far, I had him on my top-5. Also, I think Mollema is more "disappointing" so far than Valverde, I expected a little more from him. (Im sure you dutch guys did this as well?)
Ruben: what a classy comment! If Valverde had the legs that Nibali got, Im sure we would see him up the slopes. Unfortunetely he hadn't. You cant seriously blame him for that. And its not like Mollema is the most aggressive rider either when speaking of wheelsucking, is it?
Mollema can't do much else than wheelsuck because the others are way better at the moment .
And Valverde is 3rd because of Contador and Froome crashing. He just doesn't seem good to me.
Rating Talansky as a disappointment is unfair imo, as he has fallen twice, and very hard.
Mollema also crashed in first week, but not too hard, but perhaps his body is still recuperating from it? I hope so . |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:57
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Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
for me winning 3 tours is great but its not "history in the making" great.
Of course it's not. It's very common to see a rider put his name in the list of winners of all 3 Grand Tours.
Right and is that because no one can or because the top riders all set their goal for Tour De France.
You dont need to respond that was incase you haven't heard it before a rhetorical question.
Do you even know what a rhetorical question is?
Seriously, can't someone ban this guy already?
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:58
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Riis123 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Ruben: what a classy comment! If Valverde had the legs that Nibali got, Im sure we would see him up the slopes. Unfortunetely he hadn't. You cant seriously blame him for that. And its not like Mollema is the most aggressive rider either when speaking of wheelsucking, is it?
Valverde is a bit of a wheelsucker tbf. He usually just sits in the group and sprints for the line (he was the bonus seconds king, before they got rid of that rule).
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:58
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TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
hmm, not disappointed he often seems to be just below the top riders.
So cant say i'm disappointed, never had high hopes. |
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| b3n3v3nt3 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:58
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Valverde has been pretty smart actually. Just riding behind the front riders, maybe saving himself for the 2nd/3rd week?
I'm also expecting a strong Talansky once he recovers more from his crashes, but it'll be tough for him to recover many positions. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 14-07-2014 18:59
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valverde321 wrote:
Riis123 wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Biggest disappointment to me is Valverde, what about you guys? I'm talking about big GC-contenders ofc. Van den Broeck aswell by the way .
Ruben: what a classy comment! If Valverde had the legs that Nibali got, Im sure we would see him up the slopes. Unfortunetely he hadn't. You cant seriously blame him for that. And its not like Mollema is the most aggressive rider either when speaking of wheelsucking, is it?
Valverde is a bit of a wheelsucker tbf. He usually just sits in the group and sprints for the line (he was the bonus seconds king, before they got rid of that rule).
Yeah, just like Purito always does. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 14-07-2014 19:00
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alexkr00 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
for me winning 3 tours is great but its not "history in the making" great.
Of course it's not. It's very common to see a rider put his name in the list of winners of all 3 Grand Tours.
Right and is that because no one can or because the top riders all set their goal for Tour De France.
You dont need to respond that was incase you haven't heard it before a rhetorical question.
Do you even know what a rhetorical question is?
Seriously, can't someone ban this guy already?
I wouldn't be against giving him a 13 day timeout
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 14-07-2014 19:11
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Stromeon wrote:
You have a bizarre outlook on life. The whole point is that you aren't annoying in the first place, not that I'm the one to blame for having to sift through your stream of barely tangible consciousness. It's a bit like declaring war on someone and then criticizing them for trying to defend themselves, what else do you expect they're going to do?
I'd quite like to know what your criteria for a rider who creates history is, since in your current definition of a rider who wins three tours not being worthy enough of historical significance you seem to be ruling out people like Gaul, LeMond, Fignon and Bobet who I would probably consider people who were ever so slightly significant in the history of the sport, but I won't as I don't really want to carry on feeding the troll, which as I know from past experience never turns out well.
Are you being serious?
Because im having a hard time taking your nonsense serious and particular your idea that i have to agree with you or else i am "declaring war"
Again feel free to call it history in the making, opposite you i am not demanding that you agree with me.
But again let me point that i agree that it is great and all that Nibali "wins" the tour and have won the giro and vuelta. But when its won not because you're the absolute best, but because you are just better than plan B for most teams it has to be a hollow win.
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