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TdF'13 Stage 13 - Tours to Saint-Amand-Montrond (July 12)
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Posted on 12-07-2013 23:28
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fickman wrote:
Why did Valverde change his rear tire intead of get the bike of some of his teammates, is that forbiden??? It would have been faster.
yes, that's it. Valverde ... and Rui Costa (Portugal sports man of the year 2012 ahead of some guy named Cristiano) lost 10 minutes because of changing rear tire instead of bike.
Gone with the wind...and move on (except that belkin thing). At least the colombian guy who would give a better story than the one's of Sir Ian can still mess up the GC.
Spoiler I believe now that Marilyn Manson is a cycling prophet that launched "Mechanical Animals" album, which first single was "Dope Show"
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-07-2013 23:40
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Not being funny Kimi but that rear change took fucking ages!!! Their team car is no where near because of the Kittel group still being around 40" back, so instead of getting the team leader back into the race asap they dick about chaning tyres. A bike swap would have taken 10seconds and then Valv and 3 team mates would be underway again with a hope of getting back, albeit not much of one either way.
And seriously why anger with Belkin? OPQ had already kicked things to shit dropping loads of riders and forcing a very high pace. Valverde gets unlucky but the race is on, "normal rules" can't apply! They, Belkin, like everyone else knows Sky are weak. Froome had 4 team mates there so why not put him under pressure, as did Saxo, dont see anyone complaining there, and go for the Tour GC. And if you looked at the stats (given on screen, my memory might be vague here) Belkin were doing at most 33% of the work compared to OPQ well above 50%.
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 12-07-2013 23:55
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Now I most certainly haven't read the numerous pages of this thread but I gather feelings have run high 
What I will say is in race tactics (possibly) dictated by team politics offer a further fascinating dimension to racing for me. Whether I like them one day or find them abhorrent the next. Ultimately teams are free to do whatever they like within the confines of the written rules.
It's not necessarily enough to have a strong team and stronger leader you need to be liked and respected throughout the peloton lest you fall foul of the occasional knife in the back.
Also is this going to make Quintana more or less exciting in the mountains - I'm (naively?) hopeful of the former 
Edited by ianrussell on 13-07-2013 01:05
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 12-07-2013 23:55
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TimoCycling wrote:
Guys, what was with the wheel accident? When someone had material problems. I thought it was Andy Schleck or Contador. I remember it was something like this aswell but I can't remember what it was exactly . I think the bike chain broke.
That was Andy in 2010 where Contador attacked and won the stage and pretty much the tour that day.
People have hated him ever since and its just this year he wasn´t booed at the presentation.
I also hated Contador with a vengeance that day because its so unheard of and a serious "unvritten" rule you dont do that. but forgive and forget |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 13-07-2013 00:04
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Also wasn't it Mick Rogers who called that split a few years back for HTC that ended in a Cav win? If so he has a record for causing two of the most entertaining splits at the TdF in recent times. |
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 13-07-2013 06:10
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Jacdk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Guys, what was with the wheel accident? When someone had material problems. I thought it was Andy Schleck or Contador. I remember it was something like this aswell but I can't remember what it was exactly . I think the bike chain broke.
That was Andy in 2010 where Contador attacked and won the stage and pretty much the tour that day.
People have hated him ever since and its just this year he wasn´t booed at the presentation.
I also hated Contador with a vengeance that day because its so unheard of and a serious "unvritten" rule you dont do that. but forgive and forget
Thank you, I knew it was Andy! But it only proves my point that these things are common in cycling. And on a mountain finish I think it's even worse to not wait. |
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| dienblad |
Posted on 13-07-2013 06:50
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At Dutch television, Belkins DS Nico Verhoeven told that his team and OPQS had arranged before the stage to try to cause echelons.
After that Ten Dam told that he was told by Bennati that Saxo was going to cause another one in the final part of the stage, so he and Mollema stayed close to Contador after it.
And Bram Tankink told that he was asked by Froome with 20km to go, why he and the other Belkins didn't work in the 2nd echelon anymore, after the Saxo/OPQS one was formed. When Froome was told that Mollema and Ten Dam were in the 1st one, he reacted something like "Fock.........."
Even if you hate Belkin, you can't deny that they had a strong tactical ride yesterday!
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| triskin |
Posted on 13-07-2013 07:49
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It's just funny to see people making death threats while even Valverde himself says: that's just racing.
All in all it made for a very entertaining stage no matter who you support |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 13-07-2013 07:54
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dienblad wrote:
And Bram Tankink told that he was asked by Froome with 20km to go, why he and the other Belkins didn't work in the 2nd echelon anymore, after the Saxo/OPQS one was formed. When Froome was told that Mollema and Ten Dam were in the 1st one, he reacted something like "Fock.........."
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 13-07-2013 08:49
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Just saw the recorded stage, awesome that was. Racing is racing, so no crying of whole iberian peninsula will make it look like vilain thing to me and no all the lowland power will make the heroism out of it. It simply happens and it is race in the end, but you should be careful what you do, it will be paid off.
Fantastic job by OPQS and Saxo especially. Deserved win for Cav, who just needed to hold the wheel of Peter and it was easy. Sagan with 7th podium in this years 13 stages. Cav is closing in points battle,but this was his last chance before Paris, so it is over bar some crashes.
Saxo with very nice gains from this stage, hopefully it will not slow them down today and we will see some action packed stage again,
And still nobody believes in Kreuziger? He would be probably second now if he was not nursuring Conta on Ax3. I think he will be fifth in the end, while Contador and Mollema will battle for 2nd and 3rd with Quintana coming to battle for 4th with Roman. But everybody is hyping Quintana here too much i think, he has no experience...
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 13-07-2013 08:56
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Kreuziger is very likely to have a bad day in the last week. He was going for very strong in both 2011 and 2012 Giro when he had a bad day on the 20Th (2011) and 17th (2012) stage.
As much as I'd like Kreuziger to podium, I still expect him to fall out, unless he gets lucky like in 2011 when the racing was very calm when he had a bad day
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:02
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Jacdk wrote:
TimoCycling wrote:
Guys, what was with the wheel accident? When someone had material problems. I thought it was Andy Schleck or Contador. I remember it was something like this aswell but I can't remember what it was exactly . I think the bike chain broke.
That was Andy in 2010 where Contador attacked and won the stage and pretty much the tour that day.
People have hated him ever since and its just this year he wasn´t booed at the presentation.
I also hated Contador with a vengeance that day because its so unheard of and a serious "unvritten" rule you dont do that. but forgive and forget
People in Luxembourg and Denmark, yes. Fact is Contador was already on the move when Schleck got his mechanical, and, IIRC, most of Schleck's time loss actually happened on the following descent. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:04
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Spilak23 wrote:
Kreuziger is very likely to have a bad day in the last week. He was going for very strong in both 2011 and 2012 Giro when he had a bad day on the 20Th (2011) and 17th (2012) stage.
As much as I'd like Kreuziger to podium, I still expect him to fall out, unless he gets lucky like in 2011 when the racing was very calm when he had a bad day
Yep, he usually does,also coming back to racing from rest days is bad for him. But i believe he can maybe avoid it this year, but still his biggest goal now is probably to drag Alberto to second at least. Saxo has nice advantage now, where they can try to attack with those two, but i fear they will use it badly again.
Still he is riding great this year (again he should be 2nd now), i thought he is rather popular here, so it surprises me he is almost completely off all the talks about Tour here. It is just Froome, Valverde, all the dutchies on the world (they are becoming more annoying tham norway fans to be honest) and 9th Quintana again and again.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 13-07-2013 09:06
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| triskin |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:26
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tbh the dutchies are just going mad since it's been so long since there was any success in the tour, same happens every world cup
in football 
i agree that it's a shame that Valverde got knocked out like this instead of a real fight in the alps. Think he would have made the jump with contador and co in the end otherwise |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:33
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Isn't that possibly the best way though Avin? Look what he has achieved so far without little pressure on his shoulder from management and fans alike.
Would be horrible for everyone to start paying the compliments now for him to (theoretically) fall in a hole the next day. Let the guy fly continue to fly under the radar, and depending on where he finish by Paris comes, collect the rewards and credit later once the result are known. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:35
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triskin wrote:
tbh the dutchies are just going mad since it's been so long since there was any success in the tour, same happens every world cup
in football
i agree that it's a shame that Valverde got knocked out like this instead of a real fight in the alps. Think he would have made the jump with contador and co in the end otherwise
Well, Dutchies are very weird people. They didnt give a f*ck when Mollema wore the leader jersey in the Vuelta. About 80% of the Tour watchers never watches any other race, apart from perhaps the Gold Race and World Champs.
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| TimoCycling |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:37
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Selwink wrote:
triskin wrote:
tbh the dutchies are just going mad since it's been so long since there was any success in the tour, same happens every world cup
in football
i agree that it's a shame that Valverde got knocked out like this instead of a real fight in the alps. Think he would have made the jump with contador and co in the end otherwise
Well, Dutchies are very weird people. They didnt give a f*ck when Mollema wore the leader jersey in the Vuelta. About 80% of the Tour watchers never watches any other race, apart from perhaps the Gold Race and World Champs.
True but that is with every sport and with every kind of people. Luckily the people on this site are not like that. |
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Posted on 13-07-2013 09:40
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TimoCycling wrote:
Selwink wrote:
triskin wrote:
tbh the dutchies are just going mad since it's been so long since there was any success in the tour, same happens every world cup
in football
i agree that it's a shame that Valverde got knocked out like this instead of a real fight in the alps. Think he would have made the jump with contador and co in the end otherwise
Well, Dutchies are very weird people. They didnt give a f*ck when Mollema wore the leader jersey in the Vuelta. About 80% of the Tour watchers never watches any other race, apart from perhaps the Gold Race and World Champs.
True but that is with every sport and with every kind of people. Luckily the people on this site are not like that .
Difference is the people I mentioned still call themselves fans
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:42
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Malkael wrote:
Isn't that possibly the best way though Avin? Look what he has achieved so far without little pressure on his shoulder from management and fans alike.
Would be horrible for everyone to start paying the compliments now for him to (theoretically) fall in a hole the next day. Let the guy fly continue to fly under the radar, and depending on where he finish by Paris comes, collect the rewards and credit later once the result are known.
Very true point mate.
I also fear his one bad day curse, so i have to enjoy his 4th now.
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| triskin |
Posted on 13-07-2013 09:43
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Selwink wrote:
triskin wrote:
tbh the dutchies are just going mad since it's been so long since there was any success in the tour, same happens every world cup
in football
i agree that it's a shame that Valverde got knocked out like this instead of a real fight in the alps. Think he would have made the jump with contador and co in the end otherwise
Well, Dutchies are very weird people. They didnt give a f*ck when Mollema wore the leader jersey in the Vuelta. About 80% of the Tour watchers never watches any other race, apart from perhaps the Gold Race and World Champs.
must say i was jumping up and down during that vuelta, people around me totally didnt get what was so important.
it's true though , during the tour cycling is in all the mainstream media here, during the vuelta or giro you can hardly watch it live. Especially now that results are better than they were everyone has their say about it with a very chauvinistic view. |
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