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PCMdaily DB Stat Discussion
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 05-11-2014 20:36
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Looking through the stats in detail, I noticed that Tom Boonen's stats have hardly changed since when he was the best cobbled classics rider around with Cancellara a couple of years ago. Given that he's hardly had any success over the last few years with injury etc and his only notable victory was in the KBK, his stats seem very high, making him the overall second best in the game behind Cancellara.
Flat 80
Cob 81
End 80
............whereas teammate Terpstra over the same stats is actually lower.
Flat 79
Cob 81
End 79
Sep Vanmarcke is also lower, but he does have a higher cob stat.
Flat 79
Cob 82
End 79
So how accurate are Tom Boonen's stats?
Edited by Tafiolmo on 05-11-2014 20:38
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| matt17br |
Posted on 05-11-2014 21:35
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As said before, we should consider last years as well. Boonen isn't a rider that onpy performs in the cobbled races anyway, he's indeed a handy rider that can perform very well as a sprinter as well as a leadout man, so his 80 is justified. I might be wrong, though, we'll consider your suggestions 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 07-11-2014 10:03
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I kinda liked Boonen in Roubaix this year, I still consider him the 3rd best cobbler, after Cance and Vanmarcke. Terpstra won Roubaix on normal roads, not on the cobbles.
Boonen's hill stat might be questionable though. I'm not sure what it is right now, but he doesn't take them that well anymore.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| matt17br |
Posted on 07-11-2014 13:23
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Ollfardh wrote:
I kinda liked Boonen in Roubaix this year, I still consider him the 3rd best cobbler, after Cance and Vanmarcke. Terpstra won Roubaix on normal roads, not on the cobbles.
Boonen's hill stat might be questionable though. I'm not sure what it is right now, but he doesn't take them that well anymore.
Boonen's hill stat is 71 atm, which makes sense to me, considering that Vanmarcke's is 72 and Cancellara's 74. A downgrade to 70 might be considered, but it's a matter of different points of view.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 08-11-2014 16:31
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I don't think there is any issue with Boonen's hill stat of 71, because the game doesn't really take into effect the difference between hill stat on a normal road compared to a cobbled climb.
For example Sagan has a higher hill stat than Cancellara by about 3 points which is ok for a normal road, but Cancellara is certainly better than Sagan going up a cobbled climb. |
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 08-11-2014 16:38
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For me:
Cancellara 83
Vanmarcke 82
Terpstra, Boonen 81
Sagan 80
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 08-11-2014 16:43
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
For me:
Cancellara 83
Vanmarcke 82
Terpstra, Boonen 81
Sagan 80
Cancellara 82/83 is right but Sagan at 80! I'm not sure if he should be that much higher than other cobblers like Boom and Langeveld etc who are around 78. Also Sagan has a high hill stat which is another advantage. |
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| MARSUPILAMI |
Posted on 08-11-2014 16:56
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It's my opinion... I think he deserves 79/80
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 08-11-2014 17:21
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MARSUPILAMI wrote:
It's my opinion... I think he deserves 79/80
In the DB he's on 79. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 08-11-2014 17:41
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Sagan's 79 is definitely enough. Didn't saw him doing really well in the cobbled classics this year, in fact in the first release of the db he had 78.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 08-11-2014 23:48
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In my opinion Sagan with 78 it's enough |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 09-11-2014 08:18
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AiZaK wrote:
In my opinion Sagan with 78 it's enough
Well, riders on 79:
Sagan; Thomas: Degenkolb; Vandenbergh
Riders on 78:
Langeveld; Leukemans; Kristoff; Boom
Think again.
Edited by matt17br on 09-11-2014 08:19
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-11-2014 11:11
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matt17br wrote:
Ollfardh wrote:
I kinda liked Boonen in Roubaix this year, I still consider him the 3rd best cobbler, after Cance and Vanmarcke. Terpstra won Roubaix on normal roads, not on the cobbles.
Boonen's hill stat might be questionable though. I'm not sure what it is right now, but he doesn't take them that well anymore.
Boonen's hill stat is 71 atm, which makes sense to me, considering that Vanmarcke's is 72 and Cancellara's 74. A downgrade to 70 might be considered, but it's a matter of different points of view.
I that case, upping Vanmarcke's hill stat might be the better move. He was quite good in the canadian classics and the worlds. Plus he's the only rider Cancellara hasn't been able to drop for the past 2 years.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 09-11-2014 11:38
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I think the same, Langeveld and Boom they aren´t worse than Sagan.
For me Sagan with 78 maybe fine. He is very good in flat, sprint,... |
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| sgdanny |
Posted on 09-11-2014 11:49
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I agree with Ollfardh , Vanmarcke is close to be as versatile as Cancellara, if we don't consider the differencde in the time trials 
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| djick |
Posted on 09-11-2014 19:11
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what statistics and specialization of these riders Team Colombia(cm ramirez.bs ramirez.js molano.daniel felipe martinez.)what do you think? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 09-11-2014 21:11
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Thanks guys,some nice suggestions over here
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 14-11-2014 12:25
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I think you should look at the TT-stats of Amador and Castroviejo...they are strong alone and really amazing when it comes to TTT, especially Castroviejo |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 14-11-2014 12:33
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While that can be true, especially Castroviejo sucked in most ITTs this year. Disappointing almost every time.
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| Croatia14 |
Posted on 14-11-2014 13:00
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Alakagom wrote:
While that can be true, especially Castroviejo sucked in most ITTs this year. Disappointing almost every time.
I think that´s a little point which is hard to improve. Would be great if you could point the TTT strength out of the ITT ability |
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