StevenGreen wrote:
Horner is just riding really awesome. he is in a great form and always has that massive smile on his face. And all of you who think he is doped... show me some evidence and then we'll talk
No evidence, you say? Get your facts straight and then we'll talk
Well, if it would be clear that he is benefitting from unallowed methods, he wouldnt be racing, would he?
StevenGreen wrote:
Horner is just riding really awesome. he is in a great form and always has that massive smile on his face. And all of you who think he is doped... show me some evidence and then we'll talk
No evidence, you say? Get your facts straight and then we'll talk
Well, if it would be clear that he is benefitting from unallowed methods, he wouldnt be racing, would he?
Let me put that for you: he's referenced by Leipheimer testemonny in the USADA report, and now he's a 42 year old who achieved 6W/kg on a climb where during all the climb he was up on the bike and where even after Nibali accelerated he didn't even loose time.
StevenGreen wrote:
Horner is just riding really awesome. he is in a great form and always has that massive smile on his face. And all of you who think he is doped... show me some evidence and then we'll talk
No evidence, you say? Get your facts straight and then we'll talk
Well, if it would be clear that he is benefitting from unallowed methods, he wouldnt be racing, would he?
Mind you, many of Dr Ferrari patients are still around racing on their bikes. And Horner is not even of them (at least not that I know).
So, what does it say about forbidden methods and being racing ?
StevenGreen wrote:
Horner is just riding really awesome. he is in a great form and always has that massive smile on his face. And all of you who think he is doped... show me some evidence and then we'll talk
No evidence, you say? Get your facts straight and then we'll talk
Well, if it would be clear that he is benefitting from unallowed methods, he wouldnt be racing, would he?
Let me put that for you: he's referenced by Leipheimer testemonny in the USADA report, and now he's a 42 year old who achieved 6W/kg on a climb where during all the climb he was up on the bike and where even after Nibali accelerated he didn't even loose time.
If Nibali can beat Horner in Vuelta, then it will be testament for Nibali's strength. Also proof that he can beat a certain Sky rider, who has such superior skills like Horner, come TdF next year. ;-)
If Nibali can beat Horner in Vuelta, then it will be testament for Nibali's strength. Also proof that he can beat a certain Sky rider, who has such superior skills like Horner, come TdF next year. ;-)
Nothing can not beat froome ax 3 domaines tempo
Edited by Guido Mukk on 08-09-2013 13:58
If Nibali can beat Horner in Vuelta, then it will be testament for Nibali's strength. Also proof that he can beat a certain Sky rider, who has such superior skills like Horner, come TdF next year. ;-)
Nothing can not beat froome ax 3 domaines tempo and a Ventoux style acceleration
Now that's better. Add Richie Landis into the mix, and you have a very unbeatable dope.
If Nibali can beat Horner in Vuelta, then it will be testament for Nibali's strength. Also proof that he can beat a certain Sky rider, who has such superior skills like Horner, come TdF next year. ;-)
Nothing can not beat froome ax 3 domaines tempo
or his Ridiculous acceleration on the mont ventoux you would belive he was on a motorbike that day.
StevenGreen wrote:
Horner is just riding really awesome. he is in a great form and always has that massive smile on his face. And all of you who think he is doped... show me some evidence and then we'll talk
Yeah guys, leave Horner alone. It's perfectly normal for a 42 years old rider with 1 (one) GT top 10 in his entire career to show these climbing abilities now
Edited by alexkr00 on 08-09-2013 20:50
A guy not doing preparation races and just showing up for his big goals is a huge red flag for doping. Remind me how many races does Horner do?
To recap: HORNER'S DOPING IS SO BLATANT, VAUGHTERS IS CALLING HIM OUT PUBLICLY
The preceding post is ISSO 9001 certified
"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
issoisso wrote: A guy not doing preparation races and just showing up for his big goals is a huge red flag for doping. Remind me how many races does Horner do?
Not necessarily, at least not nowadays. With power meters and stuff, they can figure out exactly what they'd do if they were racing, and what they need to be fighting with the best, so they can reproduce that while training outside of competition.
It's often being done in swimming of athletics.
The feel of being in competition, the tactical awareness and so on can't be worked outside of competition though, but one could argue that Horner is old enough to not need to learn that aspect any more.
That being said, if Horner is clean I might as well be the Queen of England.
issoisso wrote: A guy not doing preparation races and just showing up for his big goals is a huge red flag for doping. Remind me how many races does Horner do?
Not necessarily, at least not nowadays. With power meters and stuff, they can figure out exactly what they'd do if they were racing, and what they need to be fighting with the best, so they can reproduce that while training outside of competition.
It's often being done in swimming of athletics.
The feel of being in competition, the tactical awareness and so on can't be worked outside of competition though, but one could argue that Horner is old enough to not need to learn that aspect any more.
That being said, if Horner is clean I might as well be the Queen of England.
You have a fetiche for British royalty maybe?
Aquarius wrote:
masch20 wrote:
Again would people be happy if Froome is indeed clean and is just very good? Or do you want for him to be doper?
I'd like him to be clean, really. However that is just as probable as my mother being Prince Charles.
I didn't remember that second one. I might have left a couple of other ones of those around here, who knows ?
Let's think...
I see them, fair or not, as useless, and especially since I'm a nobody of peasant ascent, the idea of nobility (by blood) looks totally absurd to me. Being King/Queen (all right, Prince too) is the highest level on the scale of nobility. So, that's definitely the most opposite of what I am or wish I'd be.
Then picking the British one was the most evident choice on an English-speaking forum.
I didn't remember that second one. I might have left a couple of other ones of those around here, who knows ?
