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| atlanta |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:41
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Well Jesleyh am i right in saying Pinot top 10 in TDF younger than Kelderman is now? That tells me everything have you seen Pinot he is a beast as he progresses he will keep getting better. At least you know in a race he will be a big climber sure top 10 is better than his Vuelta result but he messed up by pulling out the TDF he will win a GT for sure. I got nothing against Dutchies you know that just dont think he is in their league comparing them. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:44
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@Jph
Well, no, I can definitely not see that, that seems ridiculous, it's not like Kelderman would barely/not develop anymore. You are righ, he's not cosidered a talent at all...
But sigh, I can see which way this goes,
Just give him 1 potental...
Though I haven't really seen arguments that could atleast help to convince me, but alright, that would be my fault forsure...
@Atlanta Oh gosh, that startlist was so strong 
Edited by Jesleyh on 28-09-2013 21:47
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| jph27 |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:47
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Pinot at his best is only behind Froome, Nibali and Quintana. He can't descend or TT though. Kelderman can, but will never be that good a climber in my opinion. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:48
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Jesleyh wrote:
@Atlanta Oh gosh, that startlist was so strong
Stronger than AToc and TDU which you quoted as examples 
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| atlanta |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:49
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Yeh the route was so climber freindly aswell HA HA. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 28-09-2013 21:50
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jph27 wrote:
Pinot at his best is only behind Froome, Nibali and Quintana. He can't descend or TT though. Kelderman can, but will never be that good a climber in my opinion.
Also, as far as we know, he may not improve the slightest, as of half of the dutch talents in the last few years. |
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 29-09-2013 01:48
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TheManxMissile wrote:
You can just change potentials your selves guys.
He doesn't only want him to be good in HIS game, he actually wants him to be good in OUR games as well. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 09:06
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Well, I thought the discussion did end now
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:02
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Rui Costa Stats People anyone can Help??? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:04
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Again, it depends on what DB you are using for gods sake
I'd say, PCMdaily-matrix 79HI. At least put him a bit up, but still under the 'real top'
And ofc good energy stats.
No, I can't specify them, I don't know what others have in the DB you're using
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:09
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And Rui's win today proves how important is that Cyanide make mental stats. |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:10
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Yeah, you are right there Miguel
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:25
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Jesleyh 78 Mountain 80 Hills 75Endurance 77 Recover and Resis???
I Use Guys like Valverde 81 Mountain 80Hills 75 Endurance
79 Recover and Resis???
Nice or Bad?? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:30
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77/78 Mountain, 79 Hills I'd say.
To get 80 hills(is 80 or 81 hills the best of the game in your DB?), he needs better.
Energy stats seem fine at 75/77/77, maybe a bit lower REC than that...
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| Jorge14 |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:38
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Rui With 80 Hills Seems like guys
Rodriguez
Nibali
Valverde
Gilbert
Sagan
Dan Martin
Betancur
Moreno
Henao
Uran
I Think Stats Seems Fine And You?? |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:49
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I think Rui should have 78-79 HI. He was in serious trouble on the Via Salviati and I think he was still weaker uphill than Valverde, Purito and Nibbles
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 17:50
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79HI is fine, not 80 indeed
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| kyle |
Posted on 29-09-2013 18:04
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I still think he was bluffin on that little climb.. he didnt got dropped once, and he didnt get the help that other guys had in almost every minute of the race, but still 79HI is the most correct value to him |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 29-09-2013 18:15
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No way 80. I'd stills ay 78. He was in trouble the whole final climb. he was yoyoing, and just managed to hang on because he only took 1 pull the entire time that group was up front. Then he attacked on the flat. To me he didn't really prove that he should get that high by today.
Also Jorge, some of the people on that list are absurd. Purito, Valverde, Martin, Gilbert and maybe Betancur is good at 80, but not the others. Nibali could get it, but with his superior mountain it would even out in in between stages, so I'd spot him at 79. Sagan is no way above 77/78. He can do well on small hills. Even blow people away. But in a race like Liege he can't do anything guaranteed. Moreno probably 79 for me. In this stat matrix at least. Henao has done exactly nothing all year. I'd say he is 78 or so. And Uran also 78 and good mountain form the Giro.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 29-09-2013 18:18
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@Baseball Yes, 80 would be ridiculous in the upcoming PCMdaily DB...
But I don't think he uses the PCMdaily DB... When looking at the names he mentions, I'd say 80HI isn't the maximum. So 79HI is fine then for sure.
Though I agree, those stats seem off there
But in the upcoming PCMdaily DB, I think 79HI should be okay with weak minor stats or 78 with very good Stamina
Edited by Jesleyh on 29-09-2013 18:19
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