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Alberto Contador Positive
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:33
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Until we give these cheats 'LIFE BANS', then i'm afraid this will not be the last time we will be discussing failed drugs tests |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:33
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Thats a really dumb ban, it makes ZERO sense.
Also, dienblad.
The rules say you cannot have the substance, Contador took the substance. He is banned as he broke the rules.
Rule are rules. He broke them, time for the consequences.
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| Andro |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:34
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What a joke if he is already back in August 2012. Not unexpected though. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:35
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roturn wrote:
Good decision.
Haven`t expected this. I am not 100% sure yet if the ban is until January 2013 or August 2012. I read both so far.
And as many others already said. The amount is absolutely unimportant as there also must be a reason for the smallest amount and it`t not important if the smallest amount gives him an advantage but the advantage that it gives you in general as the test can`t say on what day he took it.
It's August 2012. It's very clear in the CAS press release.
https://www.tas-cas.org/d2wfiles/docum....02.06.pdf
Edited by CrueTrue on 06-02-2012 12:35
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| roturn |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:36
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Thanks. Just came back home. So did not have much time to check all the news.  Read it on a cycling page but then read something different 1-2 pages back here.
So still no Giro, Tour and Olympia for him. Bjarne Rijs must be the happiest guy around now.  |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:38
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roturn wrote:
Thanks. Just came back home. So did not have much time to check all the news. Read it on a cycling page but then read something different 1-2 pages back here.
So still no Giro, Tour and Olympia for him. Bjarne Rijs must be the happiest guy around now.
If Contador wins the Vuelta then that's enough points to keep Rijs around.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:38
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I understand that he'll lose every accomplishment since the 10 TDF, but he should never have been allowed to participate. He changed the cycling world so much by doping, that he should be handed another year of suspension to sit around and think about the way life could have been.
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| kida |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:38
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Crommy wrote:
I like how they take off the time of the ban he served, but don't add on the time he rode for the period this ban covers
Well this is where I'm in 2 minds, I think if you're involved in a doping case you shouldn't be allowed to ride until the outcome of the case, which should be completed as quickly as possible, the other part of me thinks it would suck to lose 6-12-18 months only to be cleared. But then again how many recent cases have cleared the guy(s) from doping?
Edited by kida on 06-02-2012 12:43
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:41
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Maybe this will cause an edited version of the 2012 DB?
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:43
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CountArach wrote:
If Contador wins the Vuelta then that's enough points to keep Rijs around.
Contador won't win points as a rider returning from a ban.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:45
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doddy13 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
If Contador wins the Vuelta then that's enough points to keep Rijs around.
Contador won't win points as a rider returning from a ban.
Of course, I forgot about that provision. Well this will be an interesting season for Saxobank to say the least.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:50
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doddy13 wrote:
Thats a really dumb ban, it makes ZERO sense.
Also, dienblad.
The rules say you cannot have the substance, Contador took the substance. He is banned as he broke the rules.
Rule are rules. He broke them, time for the consequences.
Cavendish is breaking the rules all the time, do you complain? And to make it clear, i am not a Contador fanboy, i just try to defend the man, who i think, is not guilty.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:54
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End of Saxo Bank?
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 06-02-2012 12:54
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Thats a really dumb ban, it makes ZERO sense.
Also, dienblad.
The rules say you cannot have the substance, Contador took the substance. He is banned as he broke the rules.
Rule are rules. He broke them, time for the consequences.
Cavendish is breaking the rules all the time, do you complain? And to make it clear, i am not a Contador fanboy, i just try to defend the man, who i think, is not guilty.
But he IS guilty. CAS just said so.
Also, there's a major difference between doping and using a helmet that may or may not have been illegal (and if it was illegal, UCI had 200 km of racing + several hours before the race to tell Cavendish that he had to use another helmet). |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:03
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CrueTrue wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Thats a really dumb ban, it makes ZERO sense.
Also, dienblad.
The rules say you cannot have the substance, Contador took the substance. He is banned as he broke the rules.
Rule are rules. He broke them, time for the consequences.
Cavendish is breaking the rules all the time, do you complain? And to make it clear, i am not a Contador fanboy, i just try to defend the man, who i think, is not guilty.
But he IS guilty. CAS just said so.
Also, there's a major difference between doping and using a helmet that may or may not have been illegal (and if it was illegal, UCI had 200 km of racing + several hours before the race to tell Cavendish that he had to use another helmet).
I was reffering to the other Cavendishes cases, we all know he has won green jersey with a fluke and so on. But this is not about him, i only pointed that out to show the different standarts of many fans here. But this disscussion has no sense, you have me all rated as the stupid fanboy and i rate you as the Contador haters, so we all have our thruths. I am sad that many people think he was never clean, he does not deserve this in my eyes
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 06-02-2012 13:04
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| siwi |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:05
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That sucks.. But hey.. 2012 Vuelta winner = Alberto Contador  happy for that at least! |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:06
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1. Not end of Saxobank. He will come back and win the vuelta.
2. If he is lucky, and they find some kind of agreement, then they maybe will withdraw a couple of months of punishment ?
3. There is over 40 cases of clenbuterol USAGES in ELITE sport, where every single one of the athlete had a HIGHER clenbuterol level than contador - and ALL OF THESE ATHLETES was found NOT GUILTY.
4. This is a disgrace against the sport. Its a witch hunt, and a very very sad day for the sport.
5. TDF will miss the biggest Star since Armstrong, no doubt. This will def. cost the sport money in sponsorships, spectators and other PR stuff.
6.IMO Contador is as guilty as the rest of TDF top 5. He has not done anything more wrong than them.
7. F. Schelck Paid E. Fuentes 6691 EURO, that is IMO way more guilty and suspicious than this clenbuterol case.
Its so fkn sad. And F. Schleck never did get any punishment, since UCI, WADA etc bought the bullshit explaination; I was paying for training programs. YEAH RIGHT - most idiotic explaination ever and he wasnt even charged.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:06
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sigh...
It was always going to happen I suppose.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:08
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siwi wrote:
That sucks.. But hey.. 2012 Vuelta winner = Alberto Contador happy for that at least!
I think it will be Contador 1st and Valverde 2nd, some people will shit bricks
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 06-02-2012 13:09
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Ybodonk wrote:
1. Not end of Saxobank. He will come back and win the vuelta.
2. If he is lucky, and they find some kind of agreement, then they maybe will withdraw a couple of months of punishment ?
3. There is over 40 cases of clenbuterol USAGES in ELITE sport, where every single one of the athlete had a HIGHER clenbuterol level than contador - and ALL OF THESE ATHLETES was found NOT GUILTY.
4. This is a disgrace against the sport. Its a witch hunt, and a very very sad day for the sport.
5. TDF will miss the biggest Star since Armstrong, no doubt. This will def. cost the sport money in sponsorships, spectators and other PR stuff.
6.IMO Contador is as guilty as the rest of TDF top 5. He has not done anything more wrong than them.
7. F. Schelck Paid E. Fuentes 6691 EURO, that is IMO way more guilty and suspicious than this clenbuterol case.
Its so fkn sad. And F. Schleck never did get any punishment, since UCI, WADA etc bought the bullshit explaination; I was paying for training programs. YEAH RIGHT - most idiotic explaination ever and he wasnt even charged.
1. Meh, maybe
2. As opposed to his 5 taken off already, and the very leniate ban.
3. Yeah, this is cycling. It's banned, end of.
4. So you (and others) say. I call it justice however, he did something against the rules and got punished. Fair?
5. Army missing didn't do last years tour any harm. Or this years TDU actually, which despite Armstrong not being there INCREASED in popularity.
6. Except the clenbuterol thing...
7. Yeah, it's a dumb system. He should be punished, but won't.
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