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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-04-2012 14:00
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Dizzle wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And now 2010 results 
1.Vinokourov - not racing in 2012
2.Kolobnev - dopehead
Problem haters? There is always a possibility someone has doped, especially when he wins his first monument and is from Astana, but what is so surprising about it this time? Astana was very strong team in the whole ardennes, they were always on the front.
Why do you call someone dopehead, when he is in fact racing, and was cleared by all charges?
Stop claiming we're all screaming doper at Iglinsky, when you do the same.
I agree this was not lucky word, but you know what the sense of my post was, this is not about Kolobnev, who in the end had A nad B samples positive...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-04-2012 15:28
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Dizzle wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
And now 2010 results
1.Vinokourov - not racing in 2012
2.Kolobnev - dopehead
Problem haters? There is always a possibility someone has doped, especially when he wins his first monument and is from Astana, but what is so surprising about it this time? Astana was very strong team in the whole ardennes, they were always on the front.
Why do you call someone dopehead, when he is in fact racing, and was cleared by all charges?
Stop claiming we're all screaming doper at Iglinsky, when you do the same.
Are you talking about the Alexandr Kolobnev who was cleared by the organization whose president is also the president of Kolobnev's team main sponsor? Or about the Kolobnev who has been named in several antidoping investigations?
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-04-2012 16:15
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iglinsky always focussed on the cobbled classics until this year. You can't take his previous ardennes results seriously as a 6 week peak from the cobbled classics on is very hard to hold.
And if you remember how incredibly strong he was in some editions of the E3 Prijs Vlaanderen and the Monte Paschi Eroica, this is not such a huge suprise as it might seem.
Don't forget, nobody of the hilyl classics contenders were in great shape this year.
Sanchez had already peaked in Basque Tour
Rodriguez was good but not good enough for a 250km classic (fw is 200...)
Valverde was nowhere
Gilbert was only at 90% of his capabilities (lbl showed his true form..16th)
the Schlecks had no form (well maybe Frank a little, but nowhere near last year)
Evans was absent
What remains is the 2nd string guys, and GT-racers like Nibali, Mollema, who try to make the best out of it. Ofcourse you get suprise winners like Gasparotto and Iglinsky as a result.
When nobody is a level ahead of the rest this happens. Just like 10 years ago when Aerts and Verbrugghe managed to win FW.
Or a more recent example, last years cobbled classics. Boonen wasn't super and everyone else was marking Cancellara. With as a result outsiders winning... (lets be honost, how often will vansummeren actually win?)
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Posted on 23-04-2012 16:19
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I wasn't too surprised by his win, I just didn,t expect it. I was more surprised by the explosion Sagan made at a young age in his first few seasons. What you have to take into consideration is he could of been working for other members of the team in past years, and since Vino isnt riding, Kreuziger weren't sure if he rode or not. He virtually had a free ride this year.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-04-2012 16:32
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That's what I feel as well. I obviously am a bit skeptical about this result, mainly because Astana is Astana, Vino's reign, but this wasn't one of those performance which made me thought that was ridiculous and that I might be watching wrestling instead of cycling.
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| colombia_coldeportes |
Posted on 23-04-2012 17:07
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The stupidity of the schlecks knows no limit. They only can win races with their mouths this year. And compleaning about other teams doing nothing in the Rodriguez win and then doing a Sh.. in this race its just amazing  . They should get a veto for press statements!!! 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 23-04-2012 17:13
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ruben wrote:
With as a result outsiders winning... (lets be honost, how often will vansummeren actually win?)
At least he was nicely in the picture also this year. |
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| Dizzle |
Posted on 23-04-2012 17:51
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kumazan wrote:
Are you talking about the Alexandr Kolobnev who was cleared by the organization whose president is also the president of Kolobnev's team main sponsor? Or about the Kolobnev who has been named in several antidoping investigations?
The Kolobnev that was cleared by CAS.
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-04-2012 18:03
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Guido Mukk wrote:
ruben wrote:
With as a result outsiders winning... (lets be honost, how often will vansummeren actually win?)
At least he was nicely in the picture also this year. so was iglinsky (or do we forget all his attacks last few years?) |
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-04-2012 18:22
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It's just the constant suspision at every suprise result is annoying me. Especially on this board and cyclingnews.
I mean, if anything, these races the past 2 years prove to me cycling has gotten a lot cleaner. Almost nobody has more than 1 big attack in the tank. And hardly any attack ever sticks anymore. There is a much more level playing field and there is a lot more variety in the top 10 of these classics then there used to be.
Races do become more boring because riders save energy. A logical result of not having extra 'help' with recuperation anymore.... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 23-04-2012 19:21
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Dizzle wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Are you talking about the Alexandr Kolobnev who was cleared by the organization whose president is also the president of Kolobnev's team main sponsor? Or about the Kolobnev who has been named in several antidoping investigations?
The Kolobnev that was cleared by CAS.
No love for the Kolobnev client of Jesús Losa? Shame.
ruben wrote:
It's just the constant suspision at every suprise result is annoying me. Especially on this board and cyclingnews.
I think skepticism is good, especially in a sport with the history of pro cycling. I feel people are overreacting a bit this time, but Astana, yes, Astana, the same team whose riders were blood bags on bikes in 2006/07, the same team of Contador 2010, suddenly dominates in the Ardennes. You can't stop people from speculating. They are right in being quite skeptical.
ruben wrote:
I mean, if anything, these races the past 2 years prove to me cycling has gotten a lot cleaner. Almost nobody has more than 1 big attack in the tank. And hardly any attack ever sticks anymore. There is a much more level playing field and there is a lot more variety in the top 10 of these classics then there used to be.
Races do become more boring because riders save energy. A logical result of not having extra 'help' with recuperation anymore....
I don't get the relationship between boring and clean racing. Boring racing came with EPO/blood doping actually. It leveled the playing field. Boring racing comes from the riders' unwillingness to take risks, we've seen how an attacking strategy can give you the win with Cancellara, Boonen Schleck, Voeckler and almost with Contador.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 23-04-2012 19:28
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Moncoutie is one of my favourite riders, who always is up for an attack - as can be seen from his Vuelta KoM jerseys. Yet everyone says he is clean. So you can be exciting and clean. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 23-04-2012 20:20
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Does anyone remember stage 18 of last yaers tour, when Inglinshy was the last man from the breakawy left, and was able to follow moron #1 for a long time? That's just another thing that doesn't show up on the results, but proves the point.
And Avin, Horner was in okay shape, but now that he has to help the morons, he didn't have much of a chance.
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Posted on 23-04-2012 20:34
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ok after all this doping discussion regarding astana and iglinskiy in this thread i really had to laugh a lot while reading this caption:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/vinok...e-vino-way
and we all know what he means by that....
Edited by johannes-w on 23-04-2012 20:36
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 23-04-2012 21:28
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In friggin' deed !
I think we can now close Iglinsky case. If some people still had doubts, now there's no more room for it, the information is coming from the man himself.  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 03-05-2012 22:05
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dienblad wrote:
Girls, please...... 
It is pretty simple. Every time a rider makes a surprise win or result (Froome, Westra in Paris-Nice, Gasparotto, Iglinsky) or when that rider doesn't perform the next year(s) (Gilbert), people who follow cycling become suspicious. Others love these surprise results (or non-results as with Gilbert) and belive it's part of cycling.
What surprise me, is the amount of people who keep saying that all these hilly riders were out of form, just as were the cobblers in PR and maybe RVV. Riders have season goals with 2 or peaks a season. teams spend a lot of money to pay trainers to get their riders in shape at the right moment. And all these riders or trainers fail in doing so???
Makes no sens to me. I think that this is a sign that the sport has become cleaner, that the riders are more levelled (and I'm not accusing any riders with great results in the past of using doping, unless they had a positive test!!!), so nobody can make a real difference (unless a great daily form as Boonen in PR) and surprises occur (even tough they're a bit suspicious...
Rest my case, feel free to comment
Well said. Cycling is probably one of the cleanest sports in the world. Men like Gilbert can't be in their best shape for 10 months a year, every year. And a lot's in the mind, look at Gilbert last year, when you win 3, everyone, including yourself, expects you to win the fourth. Look at Boonen, 3 on a row, then who will stop you from winning a fourth? |
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