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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 23-11-2012 19:32
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Do any of you have high hopes for an agreement between Israel and Palestine? I haven't been able to follow the recent development that closely since I've been busy studying for an exam (coincidently, an exam on International Relations).
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| acac |
Posted on 23-11-2012 20:00
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Well,Israel speaking, kadima is expected to rise up in the coming elections and they are way more "peace makers" then halikud. on the other hand, Hamas is getting a lot of support after the recent fighting, and they will never make peace with Israel. So for now I am not really waiting closely for a peace deal.
BTW: a cease fire has already started but within 24 hours it was broken twice... |
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 24-11-2012 20:36
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The main problem with these types of situations is that they are more or less a "catch 22". Neither side is willing to put down their arms untill the other part does the same.
I can't say I'm very optimistic about the situation in Egypt either, atleast not if it's anything like it has been portrayed in the media. According to one spokesman the currnt head of state wants to become "a new farao" by taking power away from the Parlament.
Atleast that's how I remember it, please correct me if I'm wrong. My main concern ever since the start of the "Arab Spring" was not how the rebellion would go, but rather what would happen when it was over. After one dictator is toppled, it's a fair chance that a new one will take his place.
Look at Cuba; if you consider Castro a dictator then you have had three dictators in a row, all who rose to power by overthrowing the previous government. Castro led a coup against Batista, who in turn came to power after leading a coup against Machado.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-12-2012 21:12
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There was a large scale school shooting in Newtown, CT. 27 people were killed including 20 kindergarden kids. 
No emoticon can express this. So horrible and so close to home.
When you hear about a tragedy, you feel emotional. This is something else entirely. No words can express it. I'm grateful that my family is fine, but so many are not. Just kids! Who would do that? Even a psycho doesn't mass murder 5 year olds!
What I don't understand is how so many died. He had 2 semi auto glocks. It doesn't make sense for the people not to sacrifice themselves for the kids and gang up on him. It doesn't matter now. It's happened. Newtown. Never though of it before. A county or two away...
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyr....html?_r=0
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| acac |
Posted on 14-12-2012 21:44
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He was armed with M-16 assault rifle, so what I find odd is that he just walked in. I mean, he had 2 pistols +M-16+knife, yet he walked in. What if he was more heavily armed, or even worst, what if he had bombs? can someone please explain this thing to me? I think it's a total security failure... |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-12-2012 22:07
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acac wrote:
He was armed with M-16 assault rifle, so what I find odd is that he just walked in. I mean, he had 2 pistols +M-16+knife, yet he walked in. What if he was more heavily armed, or even worst, what if he had bombs? can someone please explain this thing to me? I think it's a total security failure...
Here you could enter in most places (not military of course) with that.
No school (to my knowledge) has metal detectors or stuff like that.
We probably have the same rate of psychos as any country but that never/rarely happens here, as weapons can't be bought by anyone on every street corner. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 14-12-2012 22:11
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Gun control needs to be imbraced simple as that, Australia has basically no shootings like this outside of the odd occasions because of decent gun control laws. Yes shootings will still happen but not like this so often
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-12-2012 23:44
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Other news reports say he just had two glocks.
Anyway, I don't know if gun control will really help. It can't hurt, but if a guy is really going to kill someone, he'll get a gun no matter what the law says. I mean, he's killing people, he doesn't care about a gun law.
In the schools around where I live they have metal detectors on the doors and in school hours door are always locked. There is an intercom that you call to the main office with and they have to personally unlock them for you.
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Posted on 15-12-2012 09:07
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Aquarius wrote:
acac wrote:
He was armed with M-16 assault rifle, so what I find odd is that he just walked in. I mean, he had 2 pistols +M-16+knife, yet he walked in. What if he was more heavily armed, or even worst, what if he had bombs? can someone please explain this thing to me? I think it's a total security failure...
Here you could enter in most places (not military of course) with that.
No school (to my knowledge) has metal detectors or stuff like that.
We probably have the same rate of psychos as any country but that never/rarely happens here, as weapons can't be bought by anyone on every street corner.
I meant gurds. In my school we have a gurd on every gate. They barely do something but they make criminals scared since they might do it in the one day that he feels like doing something. |
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| cio93 |
Posted on 15-12-2012 10:05
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acac wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
acac wrote:
He was armed with M-16 assault rifle, so what I find odd is that he just walked in. I mean, he had 2 pistols +M-16+knife, yet he walked in. What if he was more heavily armed, or even worst, what if he had bombs? can someone please explain this thing to me? I think it's a total security failure...
Here you could enter in most places (not military of course) with that.
No school (to my knowledge) has metal detectors or stuff like that.
We probably have the same rate of psychos as any country but that never/rarely happens here, as weapons can't be bought by anyone on every street corner.
I meant gurds. In my school we have a gurd on every gate. They barely do something but they make criminals scared since they might do it in the one day that he feels like doing something.
Guards?
Gates?
I guess at certain times, George Clooney could enter my school and exit it on the other side without anyone noticing.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-12-2012 21:01
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Yeah, no guards here. Never even heard of having gates with guards at a school. Is it a juvy?  Still, I think they have camera setups and a control room for them plus the intercom thing, so they would see you with soemthing that big but can't even imagine having guards. Then again, my town only has like 5 cops. 
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| acac |
Posted on 15-12-2012 21:22
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Yeah, no guards here. Never even heard of having gates with guards at a school. Is it a juvy? Still, I think they have camera setups and a control room for them plus the intercom thing, so they would see you with soemthing that big but can't even imagine having guards. Then again, my town only has like 5 cops.
Ok, with a lack of a better word, the entrance to school.
Anyway, I think that if someone would have stood there then it could have ended a lot better. For example, I recently saw that a kid in Ohio(I think that it was there)
was cought with guns and from what I heard there were evidence that he wanted to go into his school and shoot everything that moves, prevention is the the key, because if they get in, there will be dead kids. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 15-12-2012 22:02
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I know somebody who does such thing is not somebody who thinks normally, but what's going on in these people's head when they decide to go and shoot kids ?
I could understand that they'd kill their classmate if they'd been bullied by them, or such things, but kids ? |
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| Rin |
Posted on 15-12-2012 22:29
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Maybe, even though it sounds dumb, that they will be more remembered for this some final hurrah and when somebody does it like this afterwards the media will reference it for a long time like any school shooting with Columbine or here in Germany Erfurt or Winnenden (the only really big school shootings here ever).
It sounds dumb as he is dead so what does he have something of that, nothing.
I always wonder about "Contra" gun restrictions (which should be normally a ban but..) arguments, like "You can kill people with your fists so why restrict guns".
I never heard of a school massacre where someone killed 30 people with their fists in just 2 hours..
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-12-2012 23:18
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acac wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Yeah, no guards here. Never even heard of having gates with guards at a school. Is it a juvy? Still, I think they have camera setups and a control room for them plus the intercom thing, so they would see you with soemthing that big but can't even imagine having guards. Then again, my town only has like 5 cops.
Ok, with a lack of a better word, the entrance to school.
Anyway, I think that if someone would have stood there then it could have ended a lot better. For example, I recently saw that a kid in Ohio(I think that it was there)
was cought with guns and from what I heard there were evidence that he wanted to go into his school and shoot everything that moves, prevention is the the key, because if they get in, there will be dead kids.
If the guy has these guns, he can easily take out guards. Unless you want to have kids scared all the time by having guys armed with machine guns at the entrance to their school.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 15-12-2012 23:33
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There are definitely high schools that have metal detectors.
And still if there are guards, and they are taken out, theres a good chance the students and teachers inside will still be able to protect themselves better. Plus authorities maybe getting there sooner.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 15-12-2012 23:39
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I see your point, but how? The teachers and students would still be defenseless once the killer got in.
And high schools definetly could have metal detecors, but we're talking about a grade school. Kindergarden.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 16-12-2012 01:00
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People like Mike Huckabee should be gaged and locked away in times like these. If his statements were accurately portrayed in the Norwegian media then he should be utterly, utterly ashamed.
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| acac |
Posted on 16-12-2012 05:40
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baseballlover312 wrote:
acac wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Yeah, no guards here. Never even heard of having gates with guards at a school. Is it a juvy? Still, I think they have camera setups and a control room for them plus the intercom thing, so they would see you with soemthing that big but can't even imagine having guards. Then again, my town only has like 5 cops.
Ok, with a lack of a better word, the entrance to school.
Anyway, I think that if someone would have stood there then it could have ended a lot better. For example, I recently saw that a kid in Ohio(I think that it was there)
was cought with guns and from what I heard there were evidence that he wanted to go into his school and shoot everything that moves, prevention is the the key, because if they get in, there will be dead kids.
If the guy has these guns, he can easily take out guards. Unless you want to have kids scared all the time by having guys armed with machine guns at the entrance to their school.
Well, I don't know about any one else but I feel safer with them. And for your later post I had in my elementary school too. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-12-2012 07:34
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But I guess guards in Israel are mostly there because of the Palestinian/Arab terrorist threat, not because you're fearing an Israeli would go nuts and slaughter dozen kids, right ? |
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