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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:36
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MrUfo87 wrote:
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Riders like Nieve wouldn't want to be helpers though. He has the quality to be a leader or at least Co-Leader.
If he wanted to be a leader he shouldn't have to go to Sky. (Athough it could be his only option but I'm not sure about that)
I would rather see him at a team lime Belkin where can co-lead with Mollema.
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:40
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
MrUfo87 wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Riders like Nieve wouldn't want to be helpers though. He has the quality to be a leader or at least Co-Leader.
If he wanted to be a leader he shouldn't have to go to Sky. (Athough it could be his only option but I'm not sure about that)
I would rather see him at a team lime Belkin where can co-lead with Mollema.
Nieve already said he knows he'll be helper at Sky in big races and will do his duty accordingly.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:42
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Again, riders like Porte (eventhough he has the Giro) or Henao are probably the more dissapointed ones. And who should lead the god damn Vuelta then? The only thing saving us of total sky domination is their managements stupidity.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:42
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I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:43
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Then he's just as dumb as the rest.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:46
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alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
So Gesink is doing the Tour you!'re saying? 
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:47
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Dippofix wrote:
Again, riders like Porte (eventhough he has the Giro) or Henao are probably the more dissapointed ones. And who should lead the god damn Vuelta then? The only thing saving us of total sky domination is their managements stupidity.
Well Porte gets full Giro, so not much disappointment there in my opinion. Henao leads Ardennes, and possible Vuelta. Although lots depends how Dombrowski progresses through the year in dependance of Vuelta leadership.
For Sky, Tour is the target, and they get BY FAR the most revenue out of it. From sponsor persepective, getting best team there and dominating is far more important than Vuelta, Giro or Classics put together.
They want to have presence at Giro due to Sky Italia, but Vuelta.. there is not much reason for them to concentrate really.
Baseball, in a way he is. But in other way he is securing the future of his family.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:47
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Dippofix wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
So Gesink is doing the Tour you!'re saying?
Maybe co-leading with Mollema will help him not to crash. At least that's what happened in 2010.
Menchov was the leader. No pressure on Gesink. No crash
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:48
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Dippofix wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
So Gesink is doing the Tour you!'re saying?
Gesink 
Hoping for good results in the GT's from Belkin
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:52
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Alakagom wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
Again, riders like Porte (eventhough he has the Giro) or Henao are probably the more dissapointed ones. And who should lead the god damn Vuelta then? The only thing saving us of total sky domination is their managements stupidity.
Well Porte gets full Giro, so not much disappointment there in my opinion. Henao leads Ardennes, and possible Vuelta. Although lots depends how Dombrowski progresses through the year in dependance of Vuelta leadership.
For Sky, Tour is the target, and they get BY FAR the most revenue out of it. From sponsor persepective, getting best team there and dominating is far more important than Vuelta, Giro or Classics put together.
They want to have presence at Giro due to Sky Italia, but Vuelta.. there is not much reason for them to concentrate really.
Baseball, in a way he is. But in other way he is securing the future of his family.
I know that sponsors do alter the decions of teams when chossing their races that they focus on. But it seems like Sky do it a bit too much. With their team they should be able toin the Tour and Froome could e a helper in the Vuelta or Giro and they cou probably win that too. Although the Giro is not ideal because of Liquigas always bringing a strong team led by Nibbles.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 21:56
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Although the Giro is not ideal because of Liquigas always bringing a strong team led by Nibbles.
Do you follow cycling at all?
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 09-12-2013 22:01
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Sorry. They did dominate it a lot.
I havent done much research but what Tours are Astana, Liquigas and Belkin focusing on in 2014?
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 09-12-2013 22:05
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alexkr00 wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
So Gesink is doing the Tour you!'re saying?
Maybe co-leading with Mollema will help him not to crash. At least that's what happened in 2010.
Menchov was the leader. No pressure on Gesink. No crash
A) I was also halve talking abouut the Man-Game, but never mind.
B) So you're saying Gesink will hold on to Mollema in the descents, or how will that work?
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 22:08
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Dippofix wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Dippofix wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
I don't think Nieve is strong enough to be a leader in any team. He would hardly get a top 10.
He wouldn't co-lead at a team like Belkin. Mollema is clearly better than him and I'm pretty sure Gesink is going for the Tour this year as well.
So Gesink is doing the Tour you!'re saying?
Maybe co-leading with Mollema will help him not to crash. At least that's what happened in 2010.
Menchov was the leader. No pressure on Gesink. No crash
A) I was also halve talking abouut the Man-Game, but never mind.
B) So you're saying Gesink will hold on to Mollema in the descents, or how will that work?
You have to agree it was pretty hard for me to make the ManGame connection
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 22:15
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Gesink IQ must be very low...
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 09-12-2013 22:22
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Sorry. They did dominate it a lot.
I havent done much research but what Tours are Astana, Liquigas and Belkin focusing on in 2014?
I think you're missing my point
a. Liquigas aren't in the sport anymore
b. Nibali's riding for Astana
c. Nibali's doing the Tour
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 10-12-2013 02:09
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Ah right.
I am really not liking the amount of teams disbanding or sponsors leaving, eg Rabobank, Euskatel Euskadi and Liquigas. I know they have good reasos behind it but I cant say it is good for Cycling.
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| Strydz |
Posted on 10-12-2013 05:00
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Miguel98 wrote:
Gesink IQ must be very low...
Classics Gesink, is it that hard?
Belkin and Gesink will work it out eventually but by the time they do it will most likely be to late. He can still keep his GT fantasy alive and focus on the classics, right now is when he should be doing it as there is that small gap between talented vetrans and young talent where he could win a a few spring classics
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| Strydz |
Posted on 10-12-2013 05:11
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Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Ah right.
I am really not liking the amount of teams disbanding or sponsors leaving, eg Rabobank, Euskatel Euskadi and Liquigas. I know they have good reasos behind it but I cant say it is good for Cycling.
Look through the sports history and sponsors change alot, Euskatel Euskadi was a great idea and in reality were around for a good period but there focus on Basque riders was never sustainable, Rabo was another long term sponsor and are still in cycling thanks mainly to Mariana Voss, also at least they propped up that squad until they found another title sponsor. I think it was good that Cannondale stepped up being a true cycling sponsor means that they should be in for the long term just with a smaller budget, same goes with Trek. In my opinion the sport needs a little downsizing so sponsors with a smaller budgets can come in with sustainable models, Doping has cast a shadow over the sport and there were far to many cover ups but things like what Count posted a few days ago show that cycling at least is testing its athletes unlike a great deal of other sports, there are alot of skeletons in other sports closets that will come out and you will see sponsors move on there. I think cycling is heading in the right direction but there will be more pain along the way.
Edited by Strydz on 10-12-2013 05:13
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| Luis Leon Sanchez |
Posted on 10-12-2013 06:28
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Strydz wrote:
Luis Leon Sanchez wrote:
Ah right.
I am really not liking the amount of teams disbanding or sponsors leaving, eg Rabobank, Euskatel Euskadi and Liquigas. I know they have good reasos behind it but I cant say it is good for Cycling.
Look through the sports history and sponsors change alot, Euskatel Euskadi was a great idea and in reality were around for a good period but there focus on Basque riders was never sustainable, Rabo was another long term sponsor and are still in cycling thanks mainly to Mariana Voss, also at le ast they propped up that squad until they found another title sponsor. I think it was good that Cannondale stepped up being a true cycling sponsor means that they should be in for the long term just with a smaller budget, same goes with Trek. In my opinion the sport needs a little downsizing so sponsors with a smaller budgets can come in with sustainable models, Doping has cast a shadow over the sport and there were far to many cover ups but things like what Count posted a few days ago show that cycling at least is testing its athletes unlike a great deal of other sports, there are alot of skeletons in other sports closets that will come out and you will see sponsors move on there. I think cycling is heading in the right direction but there will be more pain along the way.
Well said. I dislike the fact that doping has influenced or resulted in sponsors leaving the big stage, eg Rabobank, however with the spread of riders who are well known and world known going to South America and Africa even more than before and with young people still having a strong interest in the sport cycling has a good future. In my opinion.
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