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| the_hoyle |
Posted on 01-09-2013 15:10
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Jesleyh wrote:
Maybe, to help the domestiques, you can also bring in *Leader wins a race* in some way, so that helpers have more chance to improve as well.
I like that idea! Good thinking batman!
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| owen10ozzy |
Posted on 01-09-2013 15:11
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Think the stats are good...balanced team and everyone should be able to get a chance to shine but also provide good help as domestiques when required to do so..
But as you asked for feedback...could I have 2 taken off Prologue and 2 off Cobble (not interested in them to much to start with) and add them to the following:
Mountain 2
TT 1
Fight 1
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| jaxika |
Posted on 01-09-2013 15:11
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@Jesleyh - There are 4 riders like me, i just want a more specialized rider in hilly classics  |
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| ste_18 |
Posted on 01-09-2013 15:37
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Great work, the only thing i suggest you to do is to put 70 in FL to the cobblestone specialist (and maybe to Josè  ), i think it's very important having a good value in flat in addition to the cobbles one. |
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| Maxvir |
Posted on 01-09-2013 16:12
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I like those stats, but we`ve so many climbers it`ll be hard to choose a leader for some races. 
Jesleyh wrote:
Maybe, to help the domestiques, you can also bring in *Leader wins a race* in some way, so that helpers have more chance to improve as well.
Especially TTist(who can't win anywhere on a normal road stage) can barely improve in anything else than TT at this moment. And yes, my rider is a TTist, I'm subjective here.
Not sure how to implement it though. 
TTists/flat riders could develop if a sprinter wins, by working in the train/leadout, weaker climbers if a climber wins, that could work fine?
Every 2nd/3rd win +1 on random primary stat, or random in general.
Edited by Maxvir on 01-09-2013 16:27
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| Katusha |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:00
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Good job Ian.
Just you can add some points our character's rec. and sta.
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| Dippofix |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:08
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I'm happy with my stats, maybe you could up the TT by 1 or 2 though, i think 56 is just a bit too awful
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| knockout |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:17
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First of all i like the idea, but i see too many monsters coming out of this team:
e.g. Manuel Calle:
If he goes on a 150 km solo attack on the first race he goes to and wins at least one intermediate sprint and one mountain sprint he could get:
-ride 1 race: +1 FL +1 STA
-breakaway: +1 SP +1 FIG
-win one intermediate sprint: +1 SP
-win one mountain sprint: +1 MO
-25 km solo + 1 FL + 3 PR + 1 RES
-50 km solo + 1 FL + 1 TT + 1 STA + 1 RES
-75 km solo + 1 FL + 1 TT + 1 STA
-100 km solo + 2 FL + 1 TT + 2 STA
-150 km solo + 3 FL + 2 TT + 1 STA + 2 RES
getting him a total after one stage/race:
+ 9 FL making him 81 FL
+ 1 MO making him 69 MO
+ 5 TT making him 78 TT
+ 3 PR making him 76 PR
+ 2 SP making him 60 SP
+ 1 FIG making him 60 FIG
+ 6 STA making him 76 STA
+ 4 RES making him 76 RES
This would turn him into a flat monster which would made him a real TT contender in pro tour and getting him easily stage wins at a lower level.
And after the first season he would be even better as he probably raced 50 races (+1 FL), finished one season (+2 FL/RES/REC +1 everything else), won 5 TT races (+4 TT, +5 PR), won 1 (TT-heavy) stage race (+1 Fl,MO,HI,RES,REC) and relaying 10x for 50+ km (+3 FL + 1 STA).
Making him
87 FL 
71 MO
69 HI
83 TT
81 PR
61 SP
61 ACC
62 COB
68 DH
61 FG
78 STA
79 RES
71 REC
Seeing this I think you could get too fast too good. And you could easily get up to 85 (or higher  ) in your best stat after 1,5 years. But it is up to you. I don't care if you dont change anything.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:31
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Yes, maybe the 'solo' achievement should be removed, or just as 1 achievement 'solo'
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| knockout |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:44
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Jesleyh wrote:
Yes, maybe the 'solo' achievement should be removed, or just as 1 achievement 'solo'
That. And maybe less achievements in total or just half the points per achievement. Two 0.5 stat points are added to one point so that the maximum stat is at 85 not 100 (at Manuel Calle: 72 FL + the chance to get 28 FL added through achievements = 100 FL) |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:48
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Well, but the chance that he completes all the FL achievements equals zero. Especially since he's not a FTR and won't attack a lot. But I get what you mean.
Maybe more achievements, but with half points as well.
It's all up to Ian, I'm sure he finds a solution
I just hope that being a good domestique will be rewarded as well
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:50
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Thank you all for your feedback.
Only one achievement per solo, so if you go on a 150km break, you only get the +150 solo achievement, not for 50 km. This way you'd need to get in many solo breaks to get all those bonuses. And getting a solo break is not that easy in the game.
I realize some riders can become monsters, but it's hard to find a balance. The other way around is no fun either (riders too weak to do anything). This is why you can leave for WT teams after 1 season and I'd still track the rider.
I can also adjust the game during the season if I see they grow too fast.
Concerning domestiques not getting a chance to grow, there's no problem (I think). I removed the "talent" thing and will make sure everyone will have a chance to grow. I know TT is hard to improve, but that is why I made their starting stats higher. With 74 TT it's easy to win a TT. If you take some solo breaks with it, you can easily become a strong TTist.
Concerning your personal stat adjustments. I'm sorry to say, but I won't take specific requests. (Well, I'll look at them, but not necessarily adjust them), because you have total control about his development, so if you think MO is too low, no problem, work on it
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:53
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Thanks Ian
But actually, I meant that for TTists, it's hard to develop other stats. Especially the ones that aren't attackers. Same for climbers working on their sprint, sprinters on cobbles etc.
But it's okay, as you said you can train on them as well. Though that'll be very slow, I think
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 01-09-2013 17:56
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Jesleyh wrote:
Thanks Ian
But actually, I meant that for TTists, it's hard to develop other stats. Especially the ones that aren't attackers. Same for climbers working on their sprint, sprinters on cobbles etc.
But it's okay, as you said you can train on them as well. Though that'll be very slow, I think
You have a point. Though it's still possible, but just harder.
Problem is I should have different achievements per type of rider, but that's just too much work. I admit I don't have the energy to start working on that. I'll just try to start this, and we'll see how it goes. Don't forget the final achievements. If the team accomplishes 5 goals, every rider can appoint their own chosen stats to develop in. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 01-09-2013 18:41
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I've changed some development things. Nothing much, but there are secret achievements. Being a good team mate will be rewarded, mark my words
Solo's are out.
If you win a race solo (I forgot that), your reward will depend on the terrain.
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-09-2013 18:45
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Looks good!
Wonder what the secret achievements are
TT looks hardest to improve, but my rider will just win every TT, and it'll be allright
Can't wait for the start!
Edited by Jesleyh on 01-09-2013 18:47
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| krisa |
Posted on 01-09-2013 19:16
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Send sutty a PM then he can find this faster
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 01-09-2013 19:19
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Sutty has joined!
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| krisa |
Posted on 01-09-2013 19:22
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Joe "You can leave your" Hatton
Ian butler knows his classics 
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 01-09-2013 19:37
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krisa wrote:
Joe "You can leave your" Hatton
Ian butler knows his classics
Agreed here
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