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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-06-2013 17:36
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
I find TVG rather overrated. Without the massive amount of TT kilometers, I find it hard to see him finishing ahead of much better climbers like Quintana and Pinot.
I do find him a bit overrated as well, but to me he's still a clear contender. Quite better time trialist, not so bad climber, he has a good shot.
NTTHRASH wrote:
Pinot was also under Casar as a young super-domestique like TVG. Quintana can defeat TVG without the basis of having to help or not. Especially since Quintana doesn't need worry about helping anyone single-handedly, as Movistar has plenty of climbers to help out.
No he wasn't. In fact he already gained time on Casar in the first mountain stage.
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-06-2013 17:47
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NTTHRASH wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
The way I see it, there are only two contenders for the white jersey - Quintana and Pinot
Maybe Talansky as well if Hesjedal misses the race or shows up in crap form.
Van Garderen? He put 6 minutes to Pinot last year while working for Evans. I'm not sure Pinot has closed that gap just yet, even with less TT kilometers.
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I expect whoever wins white to be in the top 3 overall, which both Quintana and Pinot are capable of in my opinion.
Quintana sure, if he doesn't have to work for Piti. Pinot I think not yet.
Pinot was also under Casar as a young super-domestique like TVG. Quintana can defeat TVG without the basis of having to help or not. Especially since Quintana doesn't need worry about helping anyone single-handedly, as Movistar has plenty of climbers to help out.
Movistar has plenty of climbers that cant help in the big Mountains excluding Costa, like last Year Vuelta where Quintana was the only one capable of follow Purito and Contadope in the Mountains and had to make babysitter for Valverde all the way up. So Unless Valverde crashes he will be working for him. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 11-06-2013 17:51
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fickman wrote:
Movistar has plenty of climbers that cant help in the big Mountains excluding Costa, like last Year Vuelta where Quintana was the only one capable of follow Purito and Contadope in the Mountains and had to make babysitter for Valverde all the way up. So Unless Valverde crashes he will be working for him.
The "only" one?
Did you expect other Movistar-domestiques to follow Contador and Purito's attacks as well? 
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| fickman |
Posted on 11-06-2013 18:21
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
fickman wrote:
Movistar has plenty of climbers that cant help in the big Mountains excluding Costa, like last Year Vuelta where Quintana was the only one capable of follow Purito and Contadope in the Mountains and had to make babysitter for Valverde all the way up. So Unless Valverde crashes he will be working for him.
The "only" one?
Did you expect other Movistar-domestiques to follow Contador and Purito's attacks as well?
Thats the point NTTHRASH was saying that Quintana will not have to work for Valverde because in Movistar are enaugh climbers to do that, but thats not the case. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 11-06-2013 18:48
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Spilak23 wrote:
Three goals: Stages + Green for Greipel and an overal podium with Vandenbroeck
Green isn't a goal for Greipel. Lotto's goals are clear; at least one stage win for Greipel and Van den Broeck on the podium. The train is indeed the same as last year, and De Clerq will be a better helper for VdB than Jelle "I only have decent form in the Pyrenees" Vanendert. |
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 12-06-2013 09:23
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Astana long list for the Tour;
Jakob Fuglsang, Assan Bazayev, Janez Brajkovic, Enrico Gasparotto, Francesco Gavazzi, Andrei Grivko, Jacopo Guarnieri, Andrey Kashechkin, Fredrik Kessiakoff, Alexey Lutsenko, Dmitriy Muravyev, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Egor Silin. |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-06-2013 09:42
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
Spilak23 wrote:
Three goals: Stages + Green for Greipel and an overal podium with Vandenbroeck
Green isn't a goal for Greipel. Lotto's goals are clear; at least one stage win for Greipel and Van den Broeck on the podium. The train is indeed the same as last year, and De Clerq will be a better helper for VdB than Jelle "I only have decent form in the Pyrenees" Vanendert.
I have to agree, De Clercq will be of more help than Vanendert. Not sure what to think of VDB's form this year, but someone who can get 4th place twice, can get a podium as well. It might even be a very open race for second place.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-06-2013 09:58
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Farmer Sam wrote:
Astana long list for the Tour;
Jakob Fuglsang, Assan Bazayev, Janez Brajkovic, Enrico Gasparotto, Francesco Gavazzi, Andrei Grivko, Jacopo Guarnieri, Andrey Kashechkin, Fredrik Kessiakoff, Alexey Lutsenko, Dmitriy Muravyev, Kevin Seeldraeyers, Egor Silin.
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| ThVoets |
Posted on 12-06-2013 10:00
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I hope to see Seeldraeyers in the Astana tour team. He was doing very good in Dauphiné
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| ThVoets |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:31
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I have a question about the Champs Elysees route from this year.
After rewachting the live stream, I noticed that they ride around the arc de triomphe, but they did that never before irl, iirc (at least, I have never seen it)
Now, will they do this this year irl too, or is a just a little (nice) mistake from cyanide?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:34
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As i remember, they usually ride around it irl...
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:35
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ThVoets wrote:
I have a question about the Champs Elysees route from this year.
After rewachting the live stream, I noticed that they ride around the arc de triomphe, but they did that never before irl, iirc (at least, I have never seen it)
Now, will they do this this year irl too, or is a just a little (nice) mistake from cyanide?
They're doing it this year for sure, and I think they did it last year as well? I don't pay much attention to post-Tour critériums.
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| ThVoets |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:47
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
As i remember, they usually ride around it irl...
Normaly they take a turn right before it as you can see at the start of this movie
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:49
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Hey, you're right. I always thought they went around it, too! That's odd
Then it's a great mistake by Cyanide  |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:50
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No way they can go around it. Paris' traffic would go mad
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:53
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They never go around the Arc!!! Ever! At least no since i've been watching the Tour. Can't believe that even had to be asked...
There was talk about going around this year as part of the 100 celebration but didn't know that they had gotten permission.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 12-06-2013 12:55
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The final twist in the tale of the 100th edition of the race is a night time finish on the Champs-Élysées. The planned finishing time is 9.45pm, as the sun sets. And in a break from tradition, the riders will go around the Arc de Triomphe, rather than turn 100m short of it.
https://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/l...paris.html
Edited by Ian Butler on 12-06-2013 12:56
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| ThVoets |
Posted on 12-06-2013 13:03
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Well, Cyanide was right this time
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-06-2013 13:29
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TheManxMissile wrote:
They never go around the Arc!!! Ever! At least no since i've been watching the Tour. Can't believe that even had to be asked...
There was talk about going around this year as part of the 100 celebration but didn't know that they had gotten permission.
I almost never watch the last stage, only the finish of it, to be honest. It is the most boring GT stage ever. 
Also seeing Froome with champagne celebrating would kill me.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 12-06-2013 13:30
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-06-2013 13:40
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I almost never watch the last stage, only the finish of it, to be honest. It is the most boring GT stage ever.
Vino disagrees. One of the most awesome doped performances ever, with Pantani's Galibier attack and Vandenbroucke's madness in Serranillos.
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