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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-02-2013 07:03
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He didn't start anything. The fact you keep taking things as personal insults is the problem here.
Since you've been here, you've basically come to say that the way 90% of the community understands certain aspects of the game to be wrong. Bold statement, Im sure you would understand.
Still, you were given the respect to offer your opinions and show how you came to those conclusions, again no name calling from anyone here.
Luigi gives some examples to counter your statements and from that moment it seems as though you've been on a mission to prove to us all that Luigi is the one wrong here and you are not.
Now while it would be impossible for me to decide which truly is correct without doing testing of my own, something I do not have the time for, butvthere are certain things that are known to be true within the game, one of which that the equipment stats in-game are only for show and do not alter the AI or user riders performances one bit.
Upon further inspection, we've found that the reason for this is because on one side tests were done through Quick Simulation, and the other through the actual 3D mode.
I also think you are mis-understanding Luigi because he has not been treating you as rudely as you are treating him, and I have not seen one post of his that should be warranting a reaction such as yours towards him.
The problem for you is that others have done tests as well, and the findings there also support Luigi's statements/findings and not yours.
You can stick to your opinion but its not fair on Luigi to drag his findings through the mud just because you believe his to be wrong, and yours to be correct.
Edited by valverde321 on 11-02-2013 07:04
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 07:10
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valverde321 wrote:
Now while it would be impossible for me to decide which truly is correct without doing testing of my own, something I do not have the time for,
im wondering, then, why you've decided to open your mouth? i shouldn't expect anything intelligent from a valverde fan anyway...
parroting other people is exactly why 90% of the pcm community is wrong, mate. 
i would like someone to address this:
NTTHRASH wrote:
0.5 star things=-0.35 upon stat
1 star=-0.3
1.5=-0.25
2=-0.2
2.5=-0.15
a user finding code that supports equipment having an effect on gameplay.
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 11-02-2013 07:12
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-02-2013 07:15
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Now while it would be impossible for me to decide which truly is correct without doing testing of my own, something I do not have the time for,
i shouldn't expect anything intelligent from a valverde fan anyway...
Petty insults and name calling. The true form of intelligence.
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| roturn |
Posted on 11-02-2013 08:22
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We probably have the nomination or even winner of the next years "Funniest Thread of the Year" Award. 
Always "funny" to read here.
Thanks for totally ruining the PCM Daily DB, Luigi. Same for you Alakagom. You obviously totally misunderstood how the game worked...Thanks to CosmicOsmo for pointing it out.... :sarcasm:
And btw. if you have no more challenge to play PCM12, CosmicOsmo, you can always play PCM`s biggest opponent: Radsport Manager Evolution 2009. Their pure realism is surely challenging you again.
Edited by roturn on 11-02-2013 08:23
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 11-02-2013 08:29
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
at the moment im wondering what else to do with game... its just too easy...
I would know what to do, but i don't know how old you are. It's pretty obvious that you spent too much time kissing your own a**, btw.
Plus: if a game is too easy for you, you should rather sell it and do other stuff instead of telling the world how great you are. And if you really spent so much time testing, one would expect you being able to spent some time listening to what other people did. But you don't. That's enough to know who's acting wrong here.
CosmicOsmo wrote:
this is why there is so much misinformation btw, because you just take someones word for it because theyve posted a few thousand times.
Believe me: if you continue to get a few thousands posts like that, no one would believe you just because you had those thousand posts.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 11-02-2013 09:48
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valverde321 wrote:
CosmicOsmo wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Now while it would be impossible for me to decide which truly is correct without doing testing of my own, something I do not have the time for,
i shouldn't expect anything intelligent from a valverde fan anyway...
Petty insults and name calling. The true form of intelligence.
He's my new God. Clearly his intelligence goes way over our heads. Just bow and be thankful to have him. 
lluuiiggii, valverde - just think like this: A stupid person can't insult you, an intelligent man wouldn't
Edited by Ian Butler on 11-02-2013 09:49
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 11-02-2013 09:54
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Just close this thread and move on. It's obvious this guy has done 0 testing and just makes up these things so he can troll the forum.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| dren |
Posted on 11-02-2013 15:05
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i did the test for prove that equipment gives no advantage but i got the opposite result
i stopped them both in the same position at the beggining of the time trial (i did really well this time)
then they ride the full TT at 62 after the pause
konovalovas (best TT equipment) open a clear gap over gutierrez (worst TT equipment)
the gap was opened slowly (not when green bar was over)
pic shows gutierrez with road equipment and konovalovas in front near the end of TT
edit: i have made other ITT test, 4 equals with best TT equipment vs 4 equals with worst TT equipment and result was the same as 1v1, 4 with best equipment opened a clear gap slowly over the guys with worst equipment.
pretty clear to me that equipment counts, i also have seen how in a mountain a rider was going a bit faster thanks to equipment (closing a 2 minute gap without other explanation than equipment)
Edited by dren on 11-02-2013 19:29
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 11-02-2013 15:28
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Wow. Where did you get this idea? I didn't read the whole thread so this has probably been addressed with the other stats I've seen, but your mtn theory is wrong I believe as well. While that sometimes works, the mtn/hill thing is actually a ratio for the stage in the db I think, or was this changed? I think it might have been, but it definetly isn't your theory.
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| dren |
Posted on 11-02-2013 16:32
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Wow. Where did you get this idea? I didn't read the whole thread so this has probably been addressed with the other stats I've seen, but your mtn theory is wrong I believe as well. While that sometimes works, the mtn/hill thing is actually a ratio for the stage in the db I think, or was this changed? I think it might have been, but it definetly isn't your theory.
the ratio now its not in the db but it can be found in the stage viewer and you are right, in a stage like Tour de Suisse 2 (Verbania-Verbier) ratio 0.28 default db, a rider like gilbert will perform well (but not the best) just because hill counts a lot, even if its a long climb. And he will be weak in every hill in a hard mountain stage |
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 20:57
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valverde321 wrote:
CosmicOsmo wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
Now while it would be impossible for me to decide which truly is correct without doing testing of my own, something I do not have the time for,
i shouldn't expect anything intelligent from a valverde fan anyway...
Petty insults and name calling. The true form of intelligence.
ah yes, an uninformed opinion... that's intelligent! nice work editing out the part where you say youve never done any tests and cant prove anything....that at least shows you know you should keep your mouth shut.
thank you DREN for actually doing the tests yourself and coming up with your own results! im sure your games will be better for the knowledge! the haters can keep hating and ill keep raising my virtual arms
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 11-02-2013 20:58
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 21:05
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lluuiiggii, valverde - just think like this: A stupid person can't insult you, an intelligent man wouldn't
ah yes tired old cliches...the last bastion of a defeated foe. heres a link to some of the more famous "intelligent insults"
this is the part where you realize that just because it makes for a nice saying, doesnt mean its true. heres some real factual evidence to support insulting dummies for fun or utility. i guess none of these people read your adage....
https://www.cracke...-all-time/
now go cry....
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 11-02-2013 21:10
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The issue here is not the tests. In fact, I think there's a lot of interest in what you, sobrano etc. are doing. However, your attitude is horrible.
From the very first post, one could sense the "you guys are extremely stupid, and I'm the best thing that has ever happened" approach you have to this. It would have been much smarter to come forward and say: 'I want to test some of the presumptions we're making on PCM12 - and it appears that reality isn't what we believed it to be'
... and then go on to not only explain, but prove (with screenshots, etc.) your tests as neutrally as possible. That would gain a lot more respect and make your tests more trustworthy.
So far, the only test of yours that has been reproducable by other members is the equipment test. We did know about the fact that it seems to matter in simulated TTs, but if it's proved that equipment stats do have an impact on 3D racing, that's new knowledge. Now, rather than calling people uninformed and saying "in your face", which is what I'm guessing is the most likely next move from your part, confirm your own results and back them up with proof like screenshots. Tell us exactly what you've done, share your DB to make it easy for everyone else to test too. That would be more useful than name calling.
Edit: And while writing this post, you posted another stupid comment - despite the fact that you were warned in a PM earlier today. Underlines my point that you have severe attitude issues.
Edited by CrueTrue on 11-02-2013 21:13
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 21:37
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CrueTrue wrote:
The issue here is not the tests. In fact, I think there's a lot of interest in what you, sobrano etc. are doing. However, your attitude is horrible.
Edit: And while writing this post, you posted another stupid comment - despite the fact that you were warned in a PM earlier today. Underlines my point that you have severe attitude issues.
wow thats probably the most personally insulting thing posted so far! thanks for leading by example!
lets see who has attitude issues? the mod on a power trip or the guy posting factual evidence? ive posted code, ive posted heartrate data. screen shots to me help nothing because they are just pretty pictures. i want data. not pretty pictures.
edit: also i dont read PMs so your wasting your time there....
Edited by CosmicOsmo on 11-02-2013 21:41
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 11-02-2013 21:42
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
The issue here is not the tests. In fact, I think there's a lot of interest in what you, sobrano etc. are doing. However, your attitude is horrible.
Edit: And while writing this post, you posted another stupid comment - despite the fact that you were warned in a PM earlier today. Underlines my point that you have severe attitude issues.
wow thats probably the most personally insulting thing posted so far! thanks for leading by example!
lets see who has attitude issues? the mod on a power trip or the guy posting factual evidence? ive posted code, ive posted heartrate data. screen shots to me help nothing because they are just pretty pictures. i want data. not pretty pictures.
But the pictures show the data, surely ?
I can do the same and make up the data, but do I have any evidence other than just my word for it ? No, the pictures clear everything up as they shown clear results of the tests.
Edited by Alakagom on 11-02-2013 21:44
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 21:52
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not really no! relative rider position as displayed via the 3D interface is not an accurate way to provide data as there is no measurable quantity available there. if you were to take specific screens of before and after heartrate/speed that would be fine but it seems like a really roundabout way to provide numbers. it is also something that we have not seen louigi do. his screens are of the "pretty picture" variety.
i would assume no one here has any motivation to lie because....well...who cares what stat does what or whether equipment matters?! all that matters is that the right info is out there. i dont assume louigi is lying, ive just found empirical data to suggest hes wrong.
from now on if you want pretty screens to go along with your data thats fine and id be happy to do it.
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:03
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Code? The only code was put forward by NTTHRASH. And that is interesting.
But still i don't agree with many of your claims as to how the stats work.
The comment about Hill and Mountain do show a lack of understanding about how the game works, and as a result throws the other results into question.
The requests for you to clearly and fully explain in detail your tests is perfectly reasonable. Providing pictures will help, as it proves the heart rates you reference, which for now we have to trust you on.
And you do need to reign in your attitude. It is incredibly disrespectful to many of the established members, who have only ever tried to be friendly and helpful. You can search every single thread and never find CT getting this serious about someones behavior.
A little kindness, humility and respect will go an awful long way.
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| CosmicOsmo |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:11
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TheManxMissile wrote:
The comment about Hill and Mountain do show a lack of understanding about how the game works, .
no not really. i am right about that. the game designates stages as hill or mountains in a ratio. that ratio is determined by some factor. that factor is not arbitrary, it is based on the length of the climbs just as i said. those numbers can be figured out in terms of kilometers and others have supported my claims, especially in relation to the tour de swiss. the code gets its logic from somewhere and that logic is based in the physical length of the climbs. does that make sense? or should i attempt a better explanation?
also i dont go on a pcm website for respect or friendship. im here for data. so i guess i could be nicer but i really dont care about winning any popularity contest on a forum. but sure, for you manx, ill tune it down
top 10 of all time in no particular order, not including the cannibal cause hes automatically #1:
-Gemininani -Nencini -Anquetil -Coppi
-Kelly -Hinault -Zabel -Bettini -Rebellin -Magni
..and honorable mention to Tom Simpson whos career was cut short.
Top 5 noobs most likely to tear it up this season:
-Phinney -Moser -TJ -Guardini -DURBO!
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:16
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CosmicOsmo wrote:
not really no! relative rider position as displayed via the 3D interface is not an accurate way to provide data as there is no measurable quantity available there. if you were to take specific screens of before and after heartrate/speed that would be fine but it seems like a really roundabout way to provide numbers. it is also something that we have not seen louigi do. his screens are of the "pretty picture" variety.
It's not what were asking we just want you to provide some evidence that your correct  and the easiest way to do that on a forum is through pictures as we can't see the data you really just posted statements. So if it's ok can you please posts the screens as of your findings as i have a strong interest in finding out how you came to your conclusions and trying to implement your new findings into the way i play PCM. thanks |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 11-02-2013 22:22
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@Cosmic
Not what you said in the first post, but i can see where the confusion comes from there. Not sure about using the 10km as a rule, especially when some MTT's are less than 10km long.
Its obvious (for everyone) to stay away from using specific figures without actual backing.
You might find that most people on Daily are here for some friendly chat with like minded people.
Much nicer response in tone as well, so thank you.
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