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| maxime86 |
Posted on 22-11-2012 22:41
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Jakstar22 wrote:
francopell wrote:
Jakstar22 wrote:
Alright guys. 2 things 1) I am happy to do jerseys as I am looking for some more to create. amd 2) just an idea but we could make this link to the man game. The admin probably won't like it but whoever is say the top 4 in the world tour standings at the end of the year goes automatically into the man game as a continental team. Remember just a rough idea but I think it could work (if the admin likes it).
I don't think this should be a feeder game. This is an independent project.
Just an idea but like Atlantius said. It probably would help when sending in an application for the man game.
I disagree with jak, this shold not affecr the man game i ay way, shape or form s it shuoldbe its own independent thing |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 23-11-2012 00:33
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Re: ManGame links. If someone does a good job as manager here, and then at whatever point in the future when there is spaces, decided to apply to the ManGame then that could well help them. Although tbh, while its interesting to see the organisation stage, Im too busy to pay any attention to these games once they get going so I wont have a clue as to who is involved in the game, and whether theyre any good 
But the independence of this or any other community game from the ManGame should be encouraged. If we wanted a feeder division for the ManGame then we would simply create one - but a key reason for why the ManGame is able to keep on going is that I dont take on workload for the game that either myself or the game can't cope with.
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I definately don't want to discourage you 
I was rather a reminder for everyone. I feel like the faster it progresses in the beginning, the more short-lived it turns out to be. Everything takes its time (we deal with months without racing in the ManGame) and resources, and the "game leader(s)" should be equally aware of that as the participants.
Not necesarilly The 2nd ManGame season started less than 2 months after the 1st season started.
The problem is when people try to do too much at the start in terms of content, as tempting as it might be. See Kentaurus' game with the copycat name, he gave himself a crazy amount of work to do, and couldnt make it last.
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Anyway, it would be a good idea to forget about the ManGame in this thread and do your own thing. The game is much more likely to surive if it takes its own path rather than copying something else.
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 00:43
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Thanks for your ideas SportingNonsense. They will definitely go under discussion. And now that I think of it, it will probably be better if we forget about the man game with this and go our own way. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-11-2012 06:49
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So the "deal"'s off, then? |
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| francopell |
Posted on 23-11-2012 07:01
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Ian Butler wrote:
So the "deal"'s off, then?
There never was a deal |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-11-2012 07:20
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Oh okay
Good enough for me, don't have too much time anyway these days! |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 23-11-2012 08:14
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I'd say drop the draft idea, it'd take ages to complete it. Instead give all teams some cash and have a transferperiod, with no one having any riders yet. Would take less time, keeps it moving...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-11-2012 08:17
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Like an auction? |
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 23-11-2012 08:29
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Auctionlike, just give PT teams 2M (just an example) and give them the rule they should get 25-30 riders. You could have a transfersection, if you get that subforum, where every rider could get his thread, like the MG, but this is clearly the most effective.
In fact it doesn't make a difference if you give them 1M or 100M, just make sure the CT teams will a percentage of that to make sure they will be competitve without getting the best riders around.
And with this bidding, you could say 48 hours after the final bid the thread will close, highest bidder gets the rider. (also 24 hours could be possible, not less due to timezones)
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 10:46
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Ian - What deal?
fjhoekie - Thats basically just the ma-game system... so no. And that could take a lot longer, and is much harder to organize and keep track of.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 10:49
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Don't agree with the auction option at all, to me it would be way too time consuming for a start 
We just have to start off simple and then make it better as we go along |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 23-11-2012 11:53
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Auction would be too much trouble to start with, as sutty says... |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 12:05
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Auction would take to long, I have another suggestion, run it exactly like the NHL draft, where every team has a budget and every player has a price, the teams then draft as they go, but can't go over their budget. This way you could have PCT and PT teams all drafting together, because the better teams would have higher budgets to spend
Edit: The advantage of all teams starting together, is that theoretically a Conti team, could choose to try and sign an absolute star, however it would eat a huge portion of their budget, meaning they'd have to be very tactical about signings.
Edited by baggieboys32 on 23-11-2012 12:06
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 12:20
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@Baggie - That is a really good idea! Is there any chance you could make some example numbers?
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 23-11-2012 12:50
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I would suggest the following system if it goes to draft system.
Make packages of about 3 riders depending of categories (CO, HI, MO, SP, TT, Others)
Make the lottery of all the draft picks (ie. 1 round just PT, 2 rnd all teams). In my example there will be 6 drafts, one for each category.
Make the packages of riders and make them public
Each team gets some draft positions and some money. You can trade draft positions (ie. I give you my pick 1 of cobbles for you MO pick #2 + 100.000€)
Give each participant a excel list of the packages and another one with their pick order in each draft. When it returns cross it with the list, draft order and draft priorities of each team. ie:
MO Draft:
Draft order:
1.- Team1
2.- Team2
MO package
P1 - Gesink, Sicard, Mancuso
P2 - Stetina, MartÃnez, Euser
in the excel each team puts the order
Team1
Team2
When we cross all data, Team1 who picks first gets P1 and Team2 because his first option is picked, jumps to the 2nd and gets P2.
When this is over a transfer week can be scheduled. After that, each team send the startlists for all season and then it can start.
It's the quickest way to do a draft.
I used it in a PES competition I organized with 20 members and in one day we where playing with our own teams.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-11-2012 12:56
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@gg - Its a nice idea, and well thought out, but its quite a lot of work... This needs to be simple, which is why a normal 1-by-1 draft works. It may take longer, but i can easily manage that on my own, and with help it becomes super easy.
Also if there is a draft, there will be no transfers. In fact i'm trying to avoid transfers at all, as it makes it easier to balance out the teams.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 23-11-2012 13:22
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I would not overcomplicate all of this, it's the racing we're looking forward too
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 13:23
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Ollfardh wrote:
I would not overcomplicate all of this, it's the racing we're looking forward too
Totally agree with you on that point |
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| baggieboys32 |
Posted on 23-11-2012 14:27
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@Themanxmissile, I'm in the process of putting something together, at the moment, would you like it as a post on here as a PM?
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| juszta |
Posted on 23-11-2012 14:45
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In my opinion working out these numbers is just a lot of work which could be avoided, because it's not necesarry.
It could just be a simple draft, just like it was originally planned, where the CT teams can join at the 3rd or 4th round. I think it would get us much more realistic team setups, since the CT teams could easily access the CT category "star riders", like Pozzovivo or Rujano, because they are unlikely to be drafted in the previous rounds, but they are unlikely to get the WT category star riders, like Contador or Boonen. They will still be able to get better line-ups than in real life, since they could easily get WT level protected riders/co-leaders (who can fill in CT level leader roles), like Chavanel, Terpstra or Rogers, since again, they are unlikely to get drafted that early.
All in all there will be enough work to do organizing this game, let's just avoid this one (But again, if you insist, the bugdet idea could work as well.) |
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