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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:26
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2 year suspension for spanish sprinter Enrique Salgueiro of LA Antarte
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:29
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Possibly. But Wiggins didn't have a chopper as team mate, nor did the ASO cancel Croix de Fer in fear that he could be dropped there.
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Posted on 04-10-2012 17:33
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2 year suspension for spanish sprinter Enrique Salgueiro of LA Antarte
I was wondering why he didn't race most of this season. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:38
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kumazan wrote:
Possibly. But Wiggins didn't have a chopper as team mate, nor did the ASO cancel Croix de Fer in fear that he could be dropped there.
They cancelled the easier side of the Stelvio followed by a long descent and then 50kms of flat to Merano, and replaced it with the Tonale and Palade followed by a descent direct to the finish town. Also, this story is usually not well told. It's usually said that Torriani was proven wrong when photos surfaced of the Stelvio clear of snow, but it was Torriani himself who announced to the press that the stelvio was clear and provided these photos!
The problem was that the local government of Trento (where Moser is from) refused to give the race passage to attempt to benefit Moser. Torriani responded by replacing the stage with a much harder one. Moser was actually dropped on the Tonale but came back by being a fantastic descender.
The chopper, if you notice, all the chopper images of Moser are from far away and from the side, not from road level and behind him. Same with the allegation that it flew ahead of Fignon, there are no head on shots of him 
The belgian race comissar who followed Moser by car (they did that back then to prevent cheating) says there's no truth to the chopper alegations
What's normally not mentioned but that had a very large effect was that Moser was being blatantly pushed up the mountains by fans in two different stages, while Torriani and his gang turned a blind eye on purpose
Edited by issoisso on 04-10-2012 17:39
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| kumazan |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:45
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issoisso wrote:
What's normally not mentioned but that had a very large effect was that Moser was being blatantly pushed up the mountains by fans in two different stages, while Torriani and his gang turned a blind eye on purpose
Yeah, that's another thing as well. As for the chopper, iirc Fignon's complain wasn't that it was in front of him creating a head wind, but that it went too near him several times, so he had to do great efforts just to stay upright.
Still, the point was that Moser isn't the man to talk about people winning GTs with routes tailor made for them, and it stands.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2012 17:53
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I personally don't agree though.
The route had an average amount of mountains for a grand tour, 80kms of ITT at which Moser was by far the best, plus 55kms of TTT at which his team was expected to lose time (and did).
In the end, Moser outclimbed almost everybody, destroyed them in the TTs and was arguably the better rider in the race. While I find his victory unfair, I don't think the route played any part.
73 and 78 Vueltas, 79 and 98 Tours, 99 Giro...now those are routes that were very obviously designed specifically for one rider.
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Posted on 04-10-2012 20:35
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Vaughters to step down from AIGCP leadership
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Posted on 04-10-2012 21:08
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issoisso wrote:
73 and 78 Vueltas, 79 and 98 Tours, 99 Giro...now those are routes that were very obviously designed specifically for one rider.
History lessons..give also names.
Only I might know is 99 giro and Pantani
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Posted on 04-10-2012 21:23
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Guido Mukk wrote:
issoisso wrote:
73 and 78 Vueltas, 79 and 98 Tours, 99 Giro...now those are routes that were very obviously designed specifically for one rider.
History lessons..give also names.
Only I might know is 99 giro and Pantani
The 73 Vuelta was designed with just 1 mountain stage and everything else flat, to entice Merckx to come without having to fear Ocaña who had beaten him at the Tour in 71 by many minutes (Merckx still won the Tour because Ocaña crashed out)
The 78 Vuelta was the same, but with super sprinter/time triallist Freddy Maertens. He ended up winning 13 stages. The time bonuses more than offset his loss in the one mountain stage so he won the Vuelta by like a minute.
79 and 98 Tours were a case of "We have a new young champion, let's use make a course for him so he wins and the media talks about it to promote the sport". In 79, Hinault was the best time triallist alive, with a strong team....so the Tour had 7 time trials 
Hinault won by 13 minutes
1998, Ullrich was by far the best in the TT and all his adversaries were climbers, so there were only 4 mountain stages, only 2 of which had mountaintop finishes, and only 1 had more than one mountain in the whole stage. But it did have two flat 55km time trials.
He lost. Pantani won 
The 1999 Giro....even Pantani's response to all the mountains was "maybe this is too much"
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 04-10-2012 21:31
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issoisso wrote:
The 78 Vuelta was the same, but with super sprinter/time triallist Freddy Maertens. He ended up winning 13 stages. The time bonuses more than offset his loss in the one mountain stage so he won the Vuelta by like a minute.
Wasn't that in 1977?
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Posted on 04-10-2012 21:56
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issoisso wrote:
1998, Ullrich was by far the best in the TT and all his adversaries were climbers, so there were only 4 mountain stages, only 2 of which had mountaintop finishes, and only 1 had more than one mountain in the whole stage. But it did have two flat 55km time trials.
He lost. Pantani won
I'm still curious to see how things would have turned out, had Festina ridden that race.
I doubt Virenque would have won it, but Zülle would have been a serious candidate, IMO. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 04-10-2012 22:20
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The 78 Vuelta was the same, but with super sprinter/time triallist Freddy Maertens. He ended up winning 13 stages. The time bonuses more than offset his loss in the one mountain stage so he won the Vuelta by like a minute.
Wasn't that in 1977?
Yes, correct
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1998, Ullrich was by far the best in the TT and all his adversaries were climbers, so there were only 4 mountain stages, only 2 of which had mountaintop finishes, and only 1 had more than one mountain in the whole stage. But it did have two flat 55km time trials.
He lost. Pantani won
I'm still curious to see how things would have turned out, had Festina ridden that race.
I doubt Virenque would have won it, but Zülle would have been a serious candidate, IMO.
IMO it's impossible to know what kind of form he'd be at there, after the Giro doping fiasco
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Posted on 05-10-2012 09:55
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Schleck's next hearing at Luxembourg NADA delayed one week
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Posted on 05-10-2012 13:42
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Freire turning down offered management positions
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Posted on 06-10-2012 16:25
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Rumor going around that the Tour (100th edition) will end with a massive mountain stage in the Alps, including a double ascent of L' Alpe d'Huez (just like the Man-Game this year).
Ventoux is also rumored to make an appearance, and with the rest of the race after they cross over from Corsica in the Pyrenees and the Massif Central.
Would be insane.
EDIT: Het Nieuwsblad (or however you spell it) is the source. Velonews has a write up here: https://velonews.c...uez_256119
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Posted on 06-10-2012 16:27
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I think you might have missed our 3 page thread dicussing it https://pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread....d_id=25215 
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Posted on 06-10-2012 16:28
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You mean without the Champs or the Penultimate stage?
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Posted on 06-10-2012 16:30
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baseballlover312 wrote:
You mean without the Champs or the Penultimate stage?
Without the Champs.
I guess I did. Apologize.
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Posted on 06-10-2012 19:53
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This sickens me. Read the article and what they say. Ugh.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/dombr...y-decision
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| kumazan |
Posted on 06-10-2012 19:59
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What's so outrageous about it? The clean program part? They're basically talking up the team which will pay their wages next year, all riders (bar Purito) do it. 
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