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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:26
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Kami wrote:
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... Isn't Keizer better then Postuma?
Didn't you say he doesn't do anything in time - trials?
Posthuma has been the Dutch time - trial champion for the last 2 years. So no, Keizer is not better.
In a race Keizer didn't participate last year, and wasn't max stats 2 years ago?
While he has indeed not performed all that decent in TT's this season, on paper he is still better then Postuma in 2 of the 3 most important TT stats (TT and resistance as opposed to flat). May i remind you that this game is completely random, and the chance that he has performed crap so far in TT's is just because of bad daily form?
Really? Bad form in every TT he rode so far?
Posthuma's record this year in ITT is: 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 4th. I bet Keizer isn't even close to reach that.
Also, more importantly, were you a selector for the Netherlands?
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| ANFreeman |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:26
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3 riders represented so far  granted, I think I was the only voter for EST and LTU, but I'll take it 
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| SotD |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:33
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Ohh well. All my money was for Greece, but giving them 4 votes alone wasn't enough. I kinda figured, but it was worth the try. Both Sweden, Denmark and Germany got through for me though, but I'll pass on the selection.
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| Kami |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:35
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alexkr00 wrote:
Kami wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Kami wrote:
... Isn't Keizer better then Postuma?
Didn't you say he doesn't do anything in time - trials?
Posthuma has been the Dutch time - trial champion for the last 2 years. So no, Keizer is not better.
In a race Keizer didn't participate last year, and wasn't max stats 2 years ago?
While he has indeed not performed all that decent in TT's this season, on paper he is still better then Postuma in 2 of the 3 most important TT stats (TT and resistance as opposed to flat). May i remind you that this game is completely random, and the chance that he has performed crap so far in TT's is just because of bad daily form?
Really? Bad form in every TT he rode so far?
Posthuma's record this year in ITT is: 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 4th. I bet Keizer isn't even close to reach that.
Also, more importantly, were you a selector for the Netherlands?
Yes. I voted for the same riders in the selection minus Veelers and Postuma but with Keizer and Dekker.
Also, Keizers TT results:
18th (hilly TT)
3th (hilly)
4th (flat)
7th (hilly)
4th (flat)
15th (hilly)
The first two were both in the Tour de Suisse.
Also, this is a game based on numbers, which we know as stats. If we give one rider 85 in everything, and another one 80 in everything, what would be the reason the second rider wins? The form of the day.
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| MrDemus |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:41
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ANFreeman wrote:
3 riders represented so far granted, I think I was the only voter for EST and LTU, but I'll take it
I also voted for Lithuania, but got no riders in
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| Kami |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:42
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MrDemus wrote:
ANFreeman wrote:
3 riders represented so far granted, I think I was the only voter for EST and LTU, but I'll take it
I also voted for Lithuania, but got no riders in
Voted for Lithuania aswell, same selection except i selected Bagdonas instead of Kairelis.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 09-04-2012 17:58
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Cool 4 teams selected already and the quibbles start.
The dutch looked a difficult one really they do not have a favourite for the medals in either the TT or the road race. I am sure it will not be too long before someone points out the disappointment at not getting a chance to see how many ascents of Box Hill, Theo Bos could have lasted 
On a more serious note I am a bit surprised with the road race selection. I dunno whether it was worth including Kreder and Veelers for the RR, I may have gone for a couple more punchy/rouler types like Langeveld or Kruijswijk - the latter in particular probably has more to merit selection on season results than Kreder. But hey it's still a very strong little team - and who knows if it is a scrambled sprint Veelers in particular has shown what he can do.
No surprises with Czech Rep or Estonia, Lithuania are probably all about Konovalovas and Vaitkus. Young Navardauskas went out on stage 2 of the Vuelta, so his inclusion is a bit of a surprise over guys like Bagdonas and Kondratus. He aint going to win the TT so a bit of a passenger, still I suppose someone needs to carry the drinks
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2012 18:49
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It wasnt an especially unified selection by the 3 Dutch selectors! The 6 who made it through got 2 votes, while Martijn Keizer, Thomas Dekker, Kenny Van Hummel, Johnny Hoogerland, Boy van Poppel, and Bobbie Traksel miss out, having only received 1 vote. I'd probably have selected Keizer myself!
The 3 Estonian selectors meanwhile, were unaminous.
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| jph27 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 18:52
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No Marco Brus? You daft Dutch selectors! 
Looks like a decent line-up, although as SN pointed out there wasn't much unity between the selectors of that Dutch team. The riders better agree more than the selectors in the race. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2012 19:04
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The Italian selection meanwhile, is greatly amusing me.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 19:18
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The Italian selection meanwhile, is greatly amusing me.
Let me guess, instead of aiming to get the strongest squad possible for the course (Bennati backed up by some of the best domestiques ever), everyone has selected their own team leader, who just so happens to be a climber?
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2012 19:23
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Half right. Some riders are being chosen, at the expense of riders who could actually help the Italian team cause. Just more to benefit the leadout train and the time trial, not the climbing.
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| Kami |
Posted on 09-04-2012 19:51
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This version, with the dangerous breaks mid-stage, it would actually be better to discard true domestiques. The game will choose a designated leader anyways, and even leaders will be put as domestiques by the game.
That being said, i have more a MSR-like feeling, then a true sprinter classic, thus choosing for puncheurs, sprinters, and rouleurs.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2012 20:55
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Yeh, pretty much. My Italian team would be Bennati, Cunego, Ricco, Ponzi, Ulissi and Pozzato. Bennati can really sprint, and then theres 5 super strong riders with him that are great on the hills, and most can put in a strong sprint also. (Ginanni would be another fair shout, but Id include Ricco over him since he won the Giro, and Ulissi over him due to sprint stat)
But the way the votes are going, the squad isnt going to look much like that at all - which can only be Italy's loss.
I find it weird that riders with 75TT are getting votes, purely because theyre amongst the best TTers of the country, when you consider they have to ride the RR aswell, and they still probably won't finish in the Top 30 in the TT
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2012 21:16
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Brotherly love for Slovakia
The Velits brothers head up the Slovakian team and will ride in both disciplines. They are joined by the Sagan brothers - although Juraj Sagan was the only one of the selected 6 to not receive unaminous selection.
Peter Velits (TT)
Martin Velits (TT)
Peter Sagan
Matej Jurco
Matej Vysna
Juraj Sagan
Ireland target the hills
Dan Martin and Nico Roche are clearly the leaders of the Irish team and will hope for a hard race. Matthew Brammeier edged Adam Petrie-Armstrong in a tiebreaker decision, purely on the fact that 2 Vespa riders were already included.
Daniel Martin (TT)
Nicolas Roche (TT)
Isaac Speirs
Phil Deignan
Mark Scanlon
Matthew Brammeier
Uran and Duque for Colombia
With 5 votes out of 5, Rigoberto Uran and Leonardo Duque lead the Colombian challenge - Duque will have definate hopes of making it to the finish in the front group, so long as the team arent distracted by Castaneda or Forero, should one of them be dropped on Box Hill.
Rigoberto Uran (TT)
Fabio Duarte (TT)
Leonardo Duque
Jaime Alberto Castañeda
Juan Pablo Forero
Mauricio Ardila
Home hopes on Swift and Bellis
Ben Swift and Jonathan Bellis were the popular choices amongst the selectors, receiving votes from all selectors bar the one who only voted for Pendletons. Swift will hope to be in contention sprinting down the mall, but Bellis will surely still be there if the race takes a more aggressive turn. It was a five way battle for the 4 remaining spaces, and it all came down to Wiggins vs Stannard. There are better options than both for RR support, but the TT was given more weight by some. Not enough for me to let the British TT Champ ride though with Wiggins securing the last slot to be of more use in the RR - the best British chance of a medal.
Andrew Tennant (TT)
Bradley Wiggins (TT)
Ben Swift
Jonathan Bellis
Ian Bibby
Luke Rowe
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| Smowz |
Posted on 09-04-2012 21:25
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Italy have such an embarressment of riches really you could replace any of those names other than Bennati with a number of other riders and they will still be super strong. Though including anybody for the TT like Ascani for example is surely a mistake, they have no chance in that of course.
These Italian punchaers are brilliant in that they can sprint pretty well too - the team dynamic whoever gets picked will be fascinating to watch.
My team would be Bennati, Ponzi, Pozzato, Ulissi, Cunego, Ballan - I think Bennati and 5 super punchaers is overkill.
But up to the selectors - I am guessing some have looked at their own riders a little bit, I did a little when selecting my picks.
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| mattiasgt |
Posted on 09-04-2012 22:01
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SportingNonsense wrote:
The only Russian votes came from Rjc. I wasnt hugely surprised that those two teams didnt vote, based on their seeming lack of interest in the game.
And I breifly forgot that I had Trofimov.
Although Russia wouldn't been in anyway.
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| Rin |
Posted on 09-04-2012 22:02
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I sent my 4 team nominations in
I hope I haven't done anything wrong and voted with thinking of "having a strong team" instead of "Yay, my riders are in there" even though couldn't resist to nominate Cobo..
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 09-04-2012 23:48
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Rin wrote:
I sent my 4 team nominations in
I hope I haven't done anything wrong and voted with thinking of "having a strong team" instead of "Yay, my riders are in there" even though couldn't resist to nominate Cobo..
Damn, I decided to pick Barredo over Cobo, which has allowed Plaza into the squad. I also picked Madrazo over Tenorio, as he would be slightly more useful in the RR, but that doesn't really bother me.
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| Levi4life |
Posted on 10-04-2012 00:37
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I'd like to think I left politics out of my selections
Of course I pointedly stayed away from Italy and Spain
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