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Expansion Pack: Stat Discussion
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| Geezar10 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 11:06
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Riis123 wrote:
pcm-hardtune wrote:
jph27 wrote:
I thought I would post the list for those who don't have the Database or can't be bothered looking through it. Here are the Riders with 80 or more in Mountain:
83
A.Schleck
A.Contador
82
C.Evans
81
R.Gesink
S.Sánchez
F.Schleck
J.RodrÃguez
I.Basso
V.Nibali
J.Van den Broeck
I.Antón
M.Scarponi
80
D.Cunego
J.Rujano
J.Gadret
I think Jurgen Van den Broeck deserves 82 Climbing. I am belgian, but still i think he had been able to do great things in this tour!
My opinion:
83:
Contador
82:
Andy Schleck
81:
Samuel Sanchez
Igor Anton
Ivan Basso
Cadel Evans (high stats in rec, rep and sta)
Fränk Schleck
80:
JDV
Gesink
Joaquin Rodirguez
Nibali
Scarponi
Rujano (low other stats)
79:
Cunego
78:
Gadret
Danielson
Klöden
Gadret
77:
Rolland
Voeckler
Gadret
Geisnk and JDV is overrated i think. Haven't show that good climberskills - yet.
Where's Wiggins? He has completely changed his figure to become a climber for this years tour and I think he would have been in contention for a top 5 place in this years tour if he hadn't crashed out i think he deserves approximately 79 in mountain |
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| joerre |
Posted on 25-07-2011 11:13
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My opinion:
82:
Andy Schleck
Contador
81:
Samuel Sanchez
Igor Anton
Ivan Basso
Cadel Evans (high stats in rec, rep and sta)
Fränk Schleck
Jurgen Van den Broeck
80:
Gesink
Joaquin Rodirguez
Nibali
Scarponi
Rujano (low other stats)
79:
Cunego
Rolland
Voeckler
78:
Gadret
Danielson
Klöden
Gadret
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 25-07-2011 11:39
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There is no way Andy is at the same level as Contador. And imo Anton is the second best climber in the world (just wait for Vuelta this year or watch Vuelta 2010 before his crash)
83:
Contador
82:
Anton
A.Schleck
If we had one day mountain classics, than Rujano would be big favourite for each of it. But he sometimes has bad days in longer races, so his recovery should be lower. Watch Giro 2011 for Scarponi and Gadret.
81:
Rujano (recovery 73-74)
Gadret
Scarponi
S.Sanchez
F.Schleck
Evans
Basso
Want to give Rodriguez higher, because of his attacking style of riding, but he sometimes cracks after attacks, so 80 could be good. It seems that you need one season to forget about Menchov, this is still 2x winnter of Vuelta and 1x winner of Giro, so don't count him of so early.
80:
Van Den Broeck
Nibali
Menchov
Purito
Edited by I_Mayo on 25-07-2011 11:40
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| Ozzy |
Posted on 25-07-2011 11:55
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Guys, I think you missed idea of this topic. CrueTrue doesn't want feedback about most known riders, because he knows them well and had no problem with choosing correct stats for them.
What CrueTrue wanted is feedback about less known riders, from your countries, mostly continental teams. Riders, that you know much more about than him (like, for example, I did for Polish riders).
Arguing whether A.Schleck should be 82 or 81 makes no sense, as CT knows this rider without any advices. Just focus on what's most important for DB-stats quality - perfection in terms of local riders. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 25-07-2011 12:08
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I have to wonder, whatever happened to Pliuschin since he's been nerfed so dramatically?
THE THOMAS VOECKLER PROPHET OF PCM DAILY
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| viking90 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 12:15
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I think Alexander Wetterhall (Endura Racing) deserves better stats, last year a 7th place in Post Denmark Rundt TT stage. 7th place in Vuelta a la Region de Murcia TT´s stage this year. He won FBD Insurance Ras last year. |
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| mismads1991 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 12:31
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Jakob Fuglsang is way to overrated..
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 12:33
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Jasha Sütterlin should be updated. He was one of the best juniors worldwide last year and won the Tour of Berlin in his first U23 year.
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| MrDemus |
Posted on 25-07-2011 12:38
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Tony Gallopin perhaps SPR 74. He has shown himself reasonably in the tour sprints, so 72 I think is a bit low
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| ouk |
Posted on 25-07-2011 14:22
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From the little I saw, Id say for the french rider :
Rolland should have around 79 MO, 77 is too low compared to what he achieved in le tour.
Roux, Geniez and Pinot should get a revamp, specially Roux who finished 2d in France championships and achieved a really nice season. At least change their potential.
I think Offredo is completely underrated, hes probably the best french potential with Rolland and should get a massive revamp.
Coppel is overrerated imo, 76 Mo is a bit too much but his rec is too low, this is his main quality with TT.
Gallopin too as MrDemus said.
Edited by ouk on 25-07-2011 14:23
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| eeyor |
Posted on 25-07-2011 14:29
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While looking through the DB I found like someone mentioned before a lack of usage of the recovery/recuperation and endurance attributes. This in a way causes some ackward decisions in other stats, especially for the stage racers and climbers. Climbers usually perform better on smaller tours rather than 3 week tours because they can squeeze out 1-2 outstanding performances in the mountains but also loose steam faster over the course of the tour. Examples here are Rujano, who I see as one of the greatest climbers but during the course of 3 weeks he will have a bad day that will cost him a lot of time. Other examples can be found in some younger riders. Jeannesson from FDJ performed good in the first two weeks but was not able to reach good results in week 3. If you use very similar REC and END stats for many riders, such differences can only be accounted for by the obvious attributes like MOU or HIL even though that the gaps could and should be smaller there.
I personally found that the differences in climbing and hill should be more narrow from the good and the mediocre climbers but differences can be established using the secondary attributes.
Edited by eeyor on 25-07-2011 14:32
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 15:30
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Ben Swift's max hill stat is 66!!!!
He's a Freire type sprinter, on all previous db's it's been about 72 max. Obviously, in the Tour he didn't show what he could do because he was working hard for teammates or taking it easy so he could make it to the end. He is a worse climber than Cav on this!
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| BB95 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 15:39
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Gilbert 85 in fighter and Voeckler 84 in fighter? Should atleast be the same. |
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| siwi |
Posted on 25-07-2011 16:39
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A lot of good posts already, thanks for that. I have some days now to change stats before next release, so some of those changes mentioned in this thread will be made. Obv not all though, as i have to agree myself  .
Anyways, all help is very welcome. Even if its about really low ranked riders, its still helpful. So if someone have knowledge, bring it  |
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| einar_19 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 16:41
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Haha, i had a crack when i first saw Hushovd's stats in the DB. When i edited the original db (after seeing Thor in the Tdf), the stats were close to exactly the same as you guys have edited them to. Only difference was that i gave him 83 in Cobble, and 78 i ACC |
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| jokovic |
Posted on 25-07-2011 17:20
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Ezio wrote:
All the polish guys says their riders are better than what the DB says, and the Norwegian guys want Cav to have LOWER than 60 in MO?! Seriosly, he's at least 60, I would say 64.
haha that why he finished 2 times too late? he cant climb get it !
also i dont think anton is the 2nd best climber he was barley 19 th in giro he is with thebest of the world i should give him 80-81 max not more |
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| Jeremy |
Posted on 25-07-2011 17:28
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Yeah... Cav and like 80 more guys... |
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| brewers90 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 17:39
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jokovic wrote:
Ezio wrote:
All the polish guys says their riders are better than what the DB says, and the Norwegian guys want Cav to have LOWER than 60 in MO?! Seriosly, he's at least 60, I would say 64.
haha that why he finished 2 times too late? he cant climb get it !
also i dont think anton is the 2nd best climber he was barley 19 th in giro he is with thebest of the world i should give him 80-81 max not more
Are you serious?!
He came in in the grupetto with over 80 riders. In grand tours, that's what you do to save wasting unnecessary energy. You go as slow as you can whilst finishing inside (or in this case, JUST outside) the time limit and have as many people as possible taking turns on the front to save everyone's energy. Gilbert, Boasson Hagen etc. were all in that same group so should they be MO 55 aswell?
I hate people that hate Cav for no reason. Seriously, you're just jealous.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 17:45
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jokovic wrote:
also i dont think anton is the 2nd best climber he was barley 19 th in giro he is with thebest of the world i should give him 80-81 max not more
He wasn't in top form during the Giro. When he's at his best he is one of the best climbers in the world. Just wait for the Vuelta.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 25-07-2011 17:49
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Fillip Eidsheim (Sparebanken) sat with the final break in the NC he deserves a better stamina and flat skill.
He also came 10th in the EC for juniors, even with some minor issues with his bike. So a little better TT skills aswell
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