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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2013 11:16
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Here's a bit about altitude training and its effect on performances :
https://cyclingtip...nclusions/
So, I guess that's why Quintana is the best climber in the world ?  |
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| ruben |
Posted on 31-07-2013 11:20
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Quintana basically had a life-time altitude camp, combined with basic training routes uphill to his school and back. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2013 12:04
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Have you only read the article ?
Altitude training -> efficient on non-trained riders, loses efficiency when the rider is trained, probably almost negligible when the rider has the level of a G.T. contender.
Main benefits of altitude training ? Helps one to learn mastering his breathing while doing a sustained effort, and also helps with efforts above maximal aerobic power (kind of efforts you'd find on track events : team pursuit, team sprint, kilometre).
The study in the article, like many others before, shows no benefit on VO2 max or power at VO2 max (aka Max Aerobic Power - MAP), or below (threshold : where GT riders do business).
Combine that with other studies about how quickly the benefits of altitude vanish, and the Quintana story is a fluke. He's good because he's talented, well trained, and maybe other stuff too, but it hardly has anything to do with altitude in Colombia. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-07-2013 12:12
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What about this?
https://jap.physio...?maxtoshow
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| 547984 |
Posted on 31-07-2013 16:06
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But does it prove an effect for an extended period of time?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2013 17:57
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Interesting, it seems to provide the expected effects, whereas most other studies I had read about rather showed minimal effects, and most of all non lasting ones, like 547984 pointed out.
Must find more reading material on the subject then.  |
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| Cossack |
Posted on 31-07-2013 20:56
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On topic of altitude effect on performance, a good example is Ecuador national football team. They play their home matches in Quito, 2800 m above sea level, and because of that at home they are really hard to defeat for the other teams. Two interesting articles about their case: https://en.wikiped...ontroversy and https://90minutesu...-much.html |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 31-07-2013 20:59
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Isn't that because of the thinner air?
The Colombians clearly have that advantage as they finished with 3 in the top 4 on the 2300m Tre Cime di Lavaredo.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 31-07-2013 21:10
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547984 wrote:
But does it prove an effect for an extended period of time?
Define extended period of time. If it really helps to increase RCV and Hb, it does give an edge over the competition (assuming no high altitude training, or levels out with them if they do go to altitude as well). Of course, this would only be helpful for an inmediate race, not for one months away. Just like a dose of EPO, just (way) less powerful.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 31-07-2013 21:24
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kumazan wrote:
547984 wrote:
But does it prove an effect for an extended period of time?
Define extended period of time. If it really helps to increase RCV and Hb, it does give an edge over the competition (assuming no high altitude training, or levels out with them if they do go to altitude as well). Of course, this would only be helpful for an inmediate race, not for one months away. Just like a dose of EPO, just (way) less powerful.
Well, i.e. say a Sky rider does altitude training for the Tour, would there still be a visible effect, say, after stage 15?
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 31-07-2013 22:15
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The writer on inrng thought that no matter how long Quintana would stay at altitude, if he came back roughly one week before the start, all effects would be gone by week #3.
Strangely, it's in that last week that Quintana looked the strongest. Not sure it's altitude related though... |
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| Kimmage |
Posted on 31-07-2013 22:45
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Cossack wrote:
On topic of altitude effect on performance, a good example is Ecuador national football team. They play their home matches in Quito, 2800 m above sea level, and because of that at home they are really hard to defeat for the other teams. Two interesting articles about their case: https://en.wikiped...ontroversy and https://90minutesu...-much.html
The reason is that most of the players play and live at altitude. Therefore their bodies are used to the altitude. So when players that are used to playing at low altitudes come to Quito, they are gonna fatigue faster than the Ecuadorians, thus giving Ecuador and advantage. If all the players started playing at sea level in their clubs, their advantage would disappear instantly. Ecuador isn't the only country with this advantage, Bolivia usually play their home games in La Paz at 3600 meters altitude. Only thing working against Bolivia is that their players really aren't very good. |
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| MrUfo87 |
Posted on 31-07-2013 23:49
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There are rumours that Petacchi is now at Omega Pharma - Quick-Step.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 01-08-2013 00:06
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MrUfo87 wrote:
There are rumours that Petacchi is now at Omega Pharma - Quick-Step.
Confirmed.
baseballlover312, 06-03-14 : "Nuke Moscow...Don't worry Russia, we've got plenty of love to go around your cities"
Sarah Palin, 08-03-14 (CPAC, on Russian aggression) : "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a nuke is a good guy with a nuke"
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| Cossack |
Posted on 01-08-2013 21:13
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Kimmage wrote:
The reason is that most of the players play and live at altitude. Therefore their bodies are used to the altitude. So when players that are used to playing at low altitudes come to Quito, they are gonna fatigue faster than the Ecuadorians, thus giving Ecuador and advantage. If all the players started playing at sea level in their clubs, their advantage would disappear instantly. Ecuador isn't the only country with this advantage, Bolivia usually play their home games in La Paz at 3600 meters altitude. Only thing working against Bolivia is that their players really aren't very good.
You are right, I think that "used to the altitude" thing may also account to Colombian cyclists. |
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| ppanther |
Posted on 01-08-2013 22:25
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Cossack wrote:
Kimmage wrote:
The reason is that most of the players play and live at altitude. Therefore their bodies are used to the altitude. So when players that are used to playing at low altitudes come to Quito, they are gonna fatigue faster than the Ecuadorians, thus giving Ecuador and advantage. If all the players started playing at sea level in their clubs, their advantage would disappear instantly. Ecuador isn't the only country with this advantage, Bolivia usually play their home games in La Paz at 3600 meters altitude. Only thing working against Bolivia is that their players really aren't very good.
You are right, I think that "used to the altitude" thing may also account to Colombian cyclists.
I think it's exactly the opposite of which he tried to say. "Used to altitude" would be an advantage if the Tour de France would be held in Colombia, while all Colombians live and train there and Europeans have to come there. But effect of altitude vanishes after a few days. So i don't think Colombians, who live, train and race in Europe during the season, would benefit from being in high altitude some months ago. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 01-08-2013 22:44
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MrUfo87 wrote:
There are rumours that Petacchi is now at Omega Pharma - Quick-Step.
And also Rigoberto Uran from Sky  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 02-08-2013 08:51
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It is not altitude as the secret weapon of Colombians, chewing coca since childhood it is.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 02-08-2013 09:43
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Tom Boonen very delighted they signed Uran. Plans to visit him multiple times during the off-season
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