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Giro d'Italia 2012 - Week 3
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-05-2012 06:27
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ruben wrote:
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I know.
I'm not that suprised by Hesjedal tbh. When i read stories about him focussing on the giro... And if he climbs as well as TDF 2010 than it was to be expected he could do well. But in 2011 he was slightly off (also due to injuries).
A top hesjedal can top 5 because the giro field is pretty weak. And now he's even stronger than before so possibly even top 3. I don't think he'll crack in the weekend. He might lose time but hesjedal never really cracks. He can ride own pace and has a smilar climbing style as Gesink.
Finally. This is what I have wanted to say, for the longest time!
Its why I like Gesink so much actually 
In my mind they are almost twins, but I think Gesink is a shade more talented. Still I like Hesjedal and if he wins the Giro that would be amazing!
Yes, no doubt Gesink is better, but they are close
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-05-2012 06:32
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valverde321 wrote:
ruben wrote:
valverde321 wrote:
ruben wrote:
I know.
I'm not that suprised by Hesjedal tbh. When i read stories about him focussing on the giro... And if he climbs as well as TDF 2010 than it was to be expected he could do well. But in 2011 he was slightly off (also due to injuries).
A top hesjedal can top 5 because the giro field is pretty weak. And now he's even stronger than before so possibly even top 3. I don't think he'll crack in the weekend. He might lose time but hesjedal never really cracks. He can ride own pace and has a smilar climbing style as Gesink.
Finally. This is what I have wanted to say, for the longest time!
Its why I like Gesink so much actually
In my mind they are almost twins, but I think Gesink is a shade more talented. Still I like Hesjedal and if he wins the Giro that would be amazing!
Yes, no doubt Gesink is better, but they are close
He is not even close
This Giro is for experienced veterans and 2nd tier GC riders in my eyes. Any from these riders would have not a podium chance at Tour.
Evans,Schleck,Wiggins,Contador,Sanchez and Gesink too is different league for me.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-05-2012 06:32
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-05-2012 07:45
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issoisso wrote:
Damn it. I keep saying "tomorrow".
Anyway, about tomorrow I doubt Cavendish will win it. It's a tired team Sky with 4 or 5 riders to chase a breakaway that will likely be huge, with the other 21 teams having zero reasons to lend a hand.
Cav will want it though, as if he doesn't win then the points jersey is going to go to a GC guy for sure. |
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| niconico |
Posted on 24-05-2012 09:49
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Is Hesjedal winning a Grand Tour these days 
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-05-2012 10:34
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
He is not even close
This Giro is for experienced veterans and 2nd tier GC riders in my eyes. Any from these riders would have not a podium chance at Tour.
Evans,Schleck,Wiggins,Contador,Sanchez and Gesink too is different league for me.
| 1. | | | | BASSO Ivan | | LIQ | | 87h44'01" | | | 2. | | | | ARROYO DURAN David | | GCE | | 01'51" | | | 3. | | | | NIBALI Vincenzo | | LIQ | | 02'37" | | | 4. | | | | SCARPONI Michele | | AND | | 02'50" | | 5. | | | | EVANS Cadel | | BMC | | 03'27" |
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| Kami |
Posted on 24-05-2012 10:40
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kumazan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
He is not even close
This Giro is for experienced veterans and 2nd tier GC riders in my eyes. Any from these riders would have not a podium chance at Tour.
Evans,Schleck,Wiggins,Contador,Sanchez and Gesink too is different league for me.
| 1. | | | | BASSO Ivan | | LIQ | | 87h44'01" | | | 2. | | | | ARROYO DURAN David | | GCE | | 01'51" | | | 3. | | | | NIBALI Vincenzo | | LIQ | | 02'37" | | | 4. | | | | SCARPONI Michele | | AND | | 02'50" | | 5. | | | | EVANS Cadel | | BMC | | 03'27" |
In the Tour, being a lesser climber is much more forgiving imo, while in the Giro you really have to be a top climber if you want to have a shot at the overall.
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 24-05-2012 10:58
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
He is not even close
This Giro is for experienced veterans and 2nd tier GC riders in my eyes. Any from these riders would have not a podium chance at Tour.
Evans,Schleck,Wiggins,Contador,Sanchez and Gesink too is different league for me.
You must be joking, right? Gesink, Wiggins over these guys? You can make an argument that Schleck and Evans are little (emphasize this word) better, but to say that guys from giro wouldn't have any chance... man, come on.
Edited by I_Mayo on 24-05-2012 11:02
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:10
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It is different type of the race, but when was someone who won Giro able to suceed in Tour, despite trying that hard? Well,never recently...
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Posted on 24-05-2012 11:13
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I'm pretty sure Gesink and Wiggins would destroy this field. So would Sanchez, Evans, Nibali and Vandenbroeck
Edited by ruben on 24-05-2012 11:13
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:27
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ruben wrote:
I'm pretty sure Gesink and Wiggins would destroy this field. So would Sanchez, Evans, Nibali and Vandenbroeck
Why? Definitely not Wiggins and Gesink.
Edited by I_Mayo on 24-05-2012 11:28
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:30
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Nibali certainly, as much as I like him, didn't destroy Scarponi last year. Neither did Evans in '10. And Wiggins would have lost a shitload of time in a stage like yesterday's. With Gesink, Samu and VDB I'm not sure, they'd be favourites sure, but 'destroy' the Giro field? Don't think so.
Edited by kumazan on 24-05-2012 11:31
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:33
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About Gesink, one nice win in ToC makes him elite rider? The guy is a very good one-week-race rider. He hasn't proved himself in grand tours. So why would I take him over Scarponi or Basso, for example. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:42
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I_Mayo wrote:
About Gesink, one nice win in ToC makes him elite rider? The guy is a very good one-week-race rider. He hasn't proved himself in grand tours. So why would I take him over Scarponi or Basso, for example.
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
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| I_Mayo |
Posted on 24-05-2012 11:49
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Kami wrote:
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
Ability to stay on bike is a part of cycling, so it can be just cut off. About 3 top 10s. Does three top 10s make him some rider that would crash both Basso and Scarponi who have actually won GT? |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-05-2012 12:01
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I_Mayo wrote:
Kami wrote:
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
Ability to stay on bike is a part of cycling, so it can be just cut off. About 3 top 10s. Does three top 10s make him some rider that would crash both Basso and Scarponi who have actually won GT?
Scarponi did not win a GT
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| Kami |
Posted on 24-05-2012 12:04
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I_Mayo wrote:
Kami wrote:
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
Ability to stay on bike is a part of cycling, so it can be just cut off. About 3 top 10s. Does three top 10s make him some rider that would crash both Basso and Scarponi who have actually won GT?
I wouldn't say crush, but i don't think they would destroy him either. I'm tending to rate Gesink and Scarponi around the same level (Scarponi having the edge though), with Basso above them both.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 24-05-2012 12:06
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Kami wrote:
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
Ability to stay on bike is a part of cycling, so it can be just cut off. About 3 top 10s. Does three top 10s make him some rider that would crash both Basso and Scarponi who have actually won GT?
Scarponi did not win a GT
Well technically he did. He 'inherited' last year's Giro from Contador, just like Andy won the 2010 TdF
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-05-2012 12:27
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I_Mayo wrote:
Kami wrote:
He's among the best stage racers in general. Staying on his bike in GT's is his problem though. Nontheless, he has finished in the top 10 of a GT 3 times.
Ability to stay on bike is a part of cycling, so it can be just cut off. About 3 top 10s. Does three top 10s make him some rider that would crash both Basso and Scarponi who have actually won GT?
Scarponi did not win a GT
Yes he did
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-05-2012 13:11
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I_Mayo wrote:
About Gesink, one nice win in ToC makes him elite rider? The guy is a very good one-week-race rider. He hasn't proved himself in grand tours. So why would I take him over Scarponi or Basso, for example.
He was 6th in the Tour 2010 at age 24. And in the Vuelta 2009 he would have finished podium with 1 mt stage to go before Mosquera took care of that by falling right in front of him.
Saying Gesink is unproven is GT is the dumbest comment I've seen you do here. Besides in the Vuelta 2009 Gesink was in thhat race a better climber than Evans and Basso...
In the Tour 2010 again Gesink climbed better than Basso. He's a lot stronger now... and improved his ITT. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 24-05-2012 13:30
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Basso came from 2 years in the fridge in 2009 and from winning the Giro in 2010. And Gesink has improved his TTing, but hasn't shown (much) improvement in the mountains. That doesn't mean Gesink is unproven in GTs though, just he's not proven he could destroy Basso et al.
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