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Sky Doping/Hate Thread
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| marble |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:19
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issoisso wrote:
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Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
The races that Wiggins has won so far this season really suited him though, he pretty much won them all in the time trials. |
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:21
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marble wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smoku wrote:
Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
The races that Wiggins has won so far this season really suited him though, he pretty much won them all in the time trials.
If it was all time-trials, then why didn't Cancellara or Maritn win them all? The suspicious part isn't that he is such a strong time-triallist, it's that he continues to be a very capable climber without losing any time-trial ability.
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| Smoku |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:24
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Where are your facts? Cuz you're guessing just as much as I do. And I actually admit it - and you're trying to speak from a position of power. "There are weapons of massive destruction in Iraq!" <applause>
What is random about my statement about the unpredictibleness of sports - clean sports at most?
Examples may be multiplied by anyone really. In any kind of discipline. And as I have said - cyling is less predictable than any other dicipline - it's a non proovable statement but if you dig in to the subject you will discover far more amazing outbursts than Wiggins' You may of cpourse argue with this opinion, but there should be a separate place for such discussion as it would be far more reaching and difficult the "has Sky doped?".
Mercxx has done things which have been far more unpredecessed in the history if cycling than Wiggins have ever done and will ever do. Please don't compare Wiggins to Mercxx. Unless you wanna start proving Eddy has doped as well... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:27
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Eddy has doped, although the stuff they took at those times wasn't as effective as the drugs available nowadays.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:32
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marble wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smoku wrote:
Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
The races that Wiggins has won so far this season really suited him though, he pretty much won them all in the time trials.
In other words, he won them all in the type of race where you 100% have to have the legs because the strength of your team and tactics are irrelevant.
How is that a defense of Wiggins?
Smoku wrote:
Where are your facts? Cuz you're guessing just as much as I do. And I actually admit it - and you're trying to speak from a position of power. "There are weapons of massive destruction in Iraq!" <applause>
They're in about 25 different places, repeated over and over. You just keep ignoring them because it's convenient
Smoku wrote:
What is random about my statement about the unpredictibleness of sports - clean sports at most?
I didn't say it was random. I said it was completely unfounded. You speak of facts...well, where are the facts to back up that claim?
Smoku wrote:
Examples may be multiplied by anyone really. In any kind of discipline.
Yet again you fail to back that up with any actual facts.
Smoku wrote:
And as I have said - cyling is less predictable than any other dicipline - it's a non proovable statement
Non provable? Then why do you state it as fact and then also claim other people aren't posting facts?
Smoku wrote:
but if you dig in to the subject you will discover far more amazing outbursts than Wiggins' You may of cpourse argue with this opinion, but there should be a separate place for such discussion as it would be far more reaching and difficult the "has Sky doped?".
What has that have to do with anything?
Smoku wrote:
Mercxx has done things which have been far more unpredecessed in the history if cycling than Wiggins have ever done and will ever do. Please don't compare Wiggins to Mercxx. Unless you wanna start proving Eddy has doped as well...
Eddy tested positive 4 times. Kinda hard to argue he wasn't.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:34
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This thread will probably go for hundred pages, because some people cant read obviously, or have a problem with understanding the simple facts. They again and again claim the same nonsense and ask ask question that were answered ten times.
Please Sky blind fanboys, be aware that these arguments were discussed and are laughable so dont use them please.
- Sky is better because they have more money
- Sky is better because they are only one training for TdF
- Sky is better because they are the only one that wanna win it
- Sky is clean because Blaisford says it or believe in it.
- Sky is clean because it would ruin them and cycling in UK
- Froome is a star because of his podium at Vuelta
- Froome would be a star and GT podium guy sooner, but parasite stop him from that.
- Porte is a star because he was 7th at the Giro
- Wiggins is GT and WT races dominator because he was good at track
There are maybe even more mantras, that are chanted again and again, but these are the most often and annoying, almost all were destructed so no need to recycle them again and again...
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:36
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Smoku wrote:
Where are your facts? Cuz you're guessing just as much as I do. And I actually admit it - and you're trying to speak from a position of power. "There are weapons of massive destruction in Iraq!" <applause>
What is random about my statement about the unpredictibleness of sports - clean sports at most?
Examples may be multiplied by anyone really. In any kind of discipline. And as I have said - cyling is less predictable than any other dicipline - it's a non proovable statement but if you dig in to the subject you will discover far more amazing outbursts than Wiggins' You may of cpourse argue with this opinion, but there should be a separate place for such discussion as it would be far more reaching and difficult the "has Sky doped?".
Mercxx has done things which have been far more unpredecessed in the history if cycling than Wiggins have ever done and will ever do. Please don't compare Wiggins to Mercxx. Unless you wanna start proving Eddy has doped as well...
Eddy doped, that is the fact.
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| climeon |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:38
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@Issoisso the reason Merckx, Coppi extra didn't do what Wiggins is doing this season is because the tour of Romandie wasn't at all prestigous when they were racing so they didn't race it. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:42
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climeon wrote:
@Issoisso the reason Merckx, Coppi extra didn't do what Wiggins is doing this season is because the tour of Romandie wasn't at all prestigous when they were racing so they didn't race it.
Yes it was prestigious, and yes they raced it. Merckx even won it once. In fact, looking at the list of winners over the years, it's a who's who of cycling. With one exception, the Romandie honor roll for those years is 100% stars.
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| drugsdontwork |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:48
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issoisso wrote:
Smoku wrote:
Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
You must be able to accept the first part of his argument. That sometimes things happen that have never happened before.
I do agree/understand with some of the skepticism and suspicions surrounding the Wiggins/Froome/Team Sky performance (believe me I want them to be clean) especially when you look at the comparisons with US Postal and the doping of the past. But you cannot let your feelings over rule a logical argument or in this case statement.
As for my stance on the situation, I'm pretty much on the fence (Agnostic for want of a better description).
"Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it"
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| marble |
Posted on 12-07-2012 08:58
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
marble wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smoku wrote:
Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
The races that Wiggins has won so far this season really suited him though, he pretty much won them all in the time trials.
If it was all time-trials, then why didn't Cancellara or Maritn win them all? The suspicious part isn't that he is such a strong time-triallist, it's that he continues to be a very capable climber without losing any time-trial ability.
I didn't say it was all time trials, I said he won them in the time trials. If the time trials weren't there, he wouldn't have won the GC as easily.
And are you saying that if you're a good climber, while also being the best time trialist. You're certainly a doper? Either way your argument doesn't really work, as there is no proof of how good Wiggins could've been had he tried to be the best time trialer instead. So this is a pointless discussion.
issoisso wrote:
marble wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Smoku wrote:
Yeah - it is suspicious. But just as much as any other over-expected result by any other team or cyclin.
No, it's not. As I've mentioned before, what Wiggins is about to do has never been done in the history of the sport!
Merckx. Coppi. Hinault. None of them!
The races that Wiggins has won so far this season really suited him though, he pretty much won them all in the time trials.
In other words, he won them all in the type of race where you 100% have to have the legs because the strength of your team and tactics are irrelevant.
Yeah, he beat Westra and Talansky in mountain time trials. Talansky by one second actually. Not really THAT amazing, is it? The Dauphine on the other hand, was impressive. |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 12-07-2012 09:49
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
This thread will probably go for hundred pages, because some people cant read obviously, or have a problem with understanding the simple facts. They again and again claim the same nonsense and ask ask question that were answered ten times.
Please Sky blind fanboys, be aware that these arguments were discussed and are laughable so dont use them please.
- Sky is better because they have more money
- Sky is better because they are only one training for TdF
- Sky is better because they are the only one that wanna win it
- Sky is clean because Blaisford says it or believe in it.
- Sky is clean because it would ruin them and cycling in UK
- Froome is a star because of his podium at Vuelta
- Froome would be a star and GT podium guy sooner, but parasite stop him from that.
- Porte is a star because he was 7th at the Giro
- Wiggins is GT and WT races dominator because he was good at track
There are maybe even more mantras, that are chanted again and again, but these are the most often and annoying, almost all were destructed so no need to recycle them again and again...
 That made me laugh. Sky fanboys have funny arguments. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 12-07-2012 12:21
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For the record, folks, for daring to speak to Paul Kimmage about Sky transparency, blocked by Wiggins
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| Teddy The Creator |
Posted on 12-07-2012 15:02
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When have we ever seen a peloton of 4 riders from one team, with two other climbing specialists?
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Posted on 12-07-2012 15:05
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Teddy The Creator wrote:
When have we ever seen a peloton of 4 riders from one team, with two other climbing specialists?
Never in the "clean" era. Further evidence. When would Rogers , Porte or Froome even be in this group before last year? Never.
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 12-07-2012 15:07
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Sky is really trying hard to convience even their hardcore-fans they can´t be clean.
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Posted on 12-07-2012 15:08
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felix_29 wrote:
Sky is really trying hard to convience even their hardcore-fans they can´t be clean.
i know :S
still hopeful they arnt doped though, but not sure its argueable atm
wait till the end of he day to decide
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| CountArach |
Posted on 12-07-2012 15:12
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Before today I was on the fence about them, but now... yeah, this just isn't right.
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| Mresuperstar |
Posted on 12-07-2012 15:15
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CountArach wrote:
Before today I was on the fence about them, but now... yeah, this just isn't right.
+1 
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| marble |
Posted on 12-07-2012 15:20
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Teddy The Creator wrote:
When have we ever seen a peloton of 4 riders from one team, with two other climbing specialists?
Never in the "clean" era. Further evidence. When would Rogers , Porte or Froome even be in this group before last year? Never.
I don't agree with that as an arguement, however I believe what Rogers is doing now is a bit extreme. Pinot though. He wasn't in that group before last year (and not even then) either for good reasons, so it's kind of stupid to use it as "evidence" for anything.
But yeah, I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but what Rogers is doing right now is insane nonetheless.
Seriously though, the fact that Pinot is still there, but so many others not.. It really seems like it isn't only Sky that's strong, but the others are weak. Some from crashes, and some from other things. Sucks for the excitement. |
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