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Arberg27
Top  #521 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 15:15
Silvio Herklotz wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
IMO Wiggins is nearly on Martins level.


Let's talk about that after the WC ITT Wink Because I seriously doubt that. Last year he won with such a big margin..
OK. Wiggins is better Wink
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-09-2014 15:19
 
silent_control
Top  #522 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 15:52
I thik that now there will be a lot of posts demanding a buff for Wiggins in TT Grin.
 
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Arberg27
Top  #523 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:01
Mountain:
83: Contador, Froome
82: Nibali, Quintana
80: Valverde, Rodríguez, Aru, Pinot, Peraud
79: Urán, Rolland, Majka, TVG, Bardet

Sprint:
83: Kittel
82: Cavendish
81: Kristoff, Greipel
80: Degenkolb, Bouhanni

Hills:
83: Valverde, D.Martin
82: Gerrans, Gilbert, Rodríguez
81: Moreno, Kwiatkowski

Cobbles:
83: Cancellara, Vanmarcke
81: Terpstra, Avermaet
80: Boonen, Vandenbergh, Stybar
79: Degenkolb, Kristoff, Sagan

Time Trial:
83: Wiggins, T.Martin
81: Dumouli
80: Dennis, Malori, Froome, Cancellara
79: Kiryienka, Barta, Phinney, Uran
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-09-2014 16:06
 
Croatia14
Top  #524 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:09
You can´t say Wiggins is as good as Martin after one bad time-trial caused by a lack of form (see interview after the ttt)
 
matt17br
Top  #525 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:09
Arberg27 wrote:
Mountain:
83: Contador, Froome
82: Nibali, Quintana
80: Valverde, Rodríguez, Aru, Pinot, Peraud
79: Urán, Rolland, Majka, TVG, Bardet

Sprint:
83: Kittel
82: Cavendish
81: Kristoff, Greipel
80: Degenkolb, Bouhanni

Hills:
83: Valverde, D.Martin
82: Gerrans, Gilbert, Rodríguez
81: Moreno, Kwiatkowski

Cobbles:
83: Cancellara, Vanmarcke
81: Terpstra, Avermaet
80: Boonen, Vandenbergh, Stybar
79: Degenkolb, Kristoff, Sagan

Time Trial:
83: Wiggins, T.Martin
81: Dumouli
80: Dennis, Malori, Froome, Cancellara
79: Kiryienka, Barta, Phinney, Uran

For now, no way Wiggo can stay on the same level as Martin, 1 point less could be justified.
Rest is close to quite fine.
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AiZaK
Top  #526 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:09
I think Tony Martin is the best although today Wiggins won the WC TT.

In my opinion Wiggins 82 is perfect
Edited by AiZaK on 24-09-2014 16:14
 
Arberg27
Top  #527 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:42
You can not say, that Martin is better. He lost big, the only thing, they have run against each other in 2014. Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.
 
AiZaK
Top  #528 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 16:45
I respect your opinion, but in my opinion Tony Martin deserves 83 and Wiggins 82 although you don't like
 
matt17br
Top  #529 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 17:05
Ehm, no, maybe they never faced a lot 1vs1 but Martin won the 90% of the flat TT from the 2011 and Martin defeated Wiggo more than 1 time, at least 3.
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Arberg27
Top  #530 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 17:41
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.
 
dark_x2012
Top  #531 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 17:56
And he's back Pfft No seriously, Arberg since daily form in PCM has such an impact Wiggo can beat Martin sometimes if he's on 82. But over the long term, Panzerwagen is slightly better Wink Don't forget he rode a fully emptying Tour and that Wiggins was far fresher since SKY is the worst team ever. Angry
Edit: And please don't say the same argument ten times if nobody agrees Wink
Edited by dark_x2012 on 24-09-2014 17:59
 
matt17br
Top  #532 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 18:38
No way that the top stat in TT could be 83. It is the only stat that MUST be 83 because of the Panzerwagen's strength.
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TheManxMissile
Top  #533 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 18:41
Arberg27 wrote:
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.


And neither has ever beaten me in TT. Nor has Cavendish ever beaten me in a sprint. Or Froome on a climb. Ergo i deserve all 85's and must be added to the DB imediately.
Doesn't matter how often i've raced these guys, just as long as i don't lose Wink
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matt17br
Top  #534 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 18:46
TheManxMissile wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.


And neither has ever beaten me in TT. Nor has Cavendish ever beaten me in a sprint. Or Froome on a climb. Ergo i deserve all 85's and must be added to the DB imediately.
Doesn't matter how often i've raced these guys, just as long as i don't lose Wink

Indisputable logic, I will immediately add you in the db, it doesn't bat an eyelid.
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TankNL
Top  #535 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 19:15
Arberg27 wrote:
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.


all races as from the WC ITT in 2011 where both entered;

MARTINWIGGINS
21-9-2011World Championships (Kobenhavn) I.T.T. (46,4 km)12
19-2-2012Volta ao Algarve, Stage 5 : Lagoa - Portimao I.T.T. (25,8 km)21
7-6-2012Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 4 : Villié-Morgon - Bourg-en-Bresse I.T.T. (53 km)21
9-7-2012Tour de France, Stage 9 : Arc-et-Senans - Besançon I.T.T. (41,5 km)121
25-9-2013World Championships (Montecatini Terme - Firenze) I.T.T. (57,9 km)12
18-3-2014Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 7 : San Benedetto del Tronto I.T.T. (9,1 km)43
14-6-2014Tour de Suisse, Stage 1 : Bellinzona - Bellinzona I.T.T. (9,4 km)114
24-9-2014World Championships (Ponferrada) I.T.T. (provisional) (47,1 km)21


who-ever... Martin clearly has more victory's and good TT for that matter;
MARTIN
7-4-2012Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Oñati - Oñati I.T.T. (18,9 km)3
26-5-2012Ronde van België / Tour de Belgique, Stage 4 : Turnhout - Arendonk I.T.T. (20 km)1
29-8-2012Vuelta a España, Stage 11 : Cambados - Pontevedra I.T.T. (39,4 km)11
19-9-2012World Championships (Heerlen - Valkenburg) I.T.T. (45,7 km)1
21-10-2012Chrono des Nations - Les Herbiers Vendée (48 km)1
17-2-2013Volta ao Algarve, Stage 4 : Castro Marim - Tavira I.T.T. (34,8 km)1
12-3-2013Tirreno - Adriatico, Stage 7 : San Benedetto del Tronto I.T.T. (9,2 km)1
6-4-2013Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Beasain - Beasain I.T.T. (24 km)1
23-4-2013Tour de Romandie, Prologue : Le Châble - Bruson I.T.T. (7,5 km)16
28-4-2013Tour de Romandie, Stage 5 : Genève - Genève I.T.T. (18,7 km)1
24-5-2013Ronde van België / Tour de Belgique, Stage 3 : Beveren - Beveren I.T.T. (15 km)1
5-6-2013Critérium du Dauphiné, Stage 4 : Villars-les-Dombes - Parc des Oiseaux I.T.T. (32,5 km)1
10-7-2013Tour de France, Stage 11 : Avranches - Mont-Saint-Michel I.T.T. (33 km)1
17-7-2013Tour de France, Stage 17 : Embrun - Chorges I.T.T. (32 km)27
4-9-2013Vuelta a España, Stage 11 : Tarazona - Tarazona I.T.T. (38,8 km)2
20-10-2013Chrono des Nations (57 km)1
5-2-2014Dubai Tour, Stage 1 : Dubai I.T.T. (9,9 km)4
21-2-2014Volta ao Algarve, Stage 3 : Vila do Bispo - Sagres I.T.T. (13,6 km)3
12-4-2014Vuelta al Pais Vasco, Stage 6 : Markina-Xemein - Markina-Xemein I.T.T. (25,9 km)1
4-5-2014Tour de Romandie, Stage 5 : Neuchâtel - Neuchâtel I.T.T. (18,5 km)2
30-5-2014Ronde van België / Tour de Belgique, Stage 3 : Diksmuide - Diksmuide I.T.T. (16,7 km)1
20-6-2014Tour de Suisse, Stage 7 : Worb - Worb I.T.T. (24,7 km)1
26-7-2014Tour de France, Stage 20 : Bergerac - Perigueux I.T.T. (54 km)1
2-9-2014Vuelta a España, Stage 10 : Santa Maria de Veruela - Borja I.T.T. (provisional) (34,5 km)1


WIGGINS
29-4-2012Tour de Romandie, Stage 5 : Crans-Montana - Crans-Montana I.T.T. (16,5 km)1
21-7-2012Tour de France, Stage 19 : Bonneval - Chartres I.T.T. (52 km)1
11-5-2013Giro d'Italia, Stage 8 : Gabicce Mare - Saltara I.T.T. (54,8 km)2
3-8-2013Tour de Pologne, Stage 7 : Wieliczka - Krakow I.T.T. (37 km)1
16-8-2013Eneco Tour of Benelux, Stage 5 : Sittard - Sittard I.T.T. (13,2 km)5
17-9-2013Tour of Britain, Stage 3 : Knowsley I.T.T. (16 km)1
12-5-2014Tour of California, Stage 2 : Folsom - Folsom I.T.T. (20,1 km)1
14-9-2014Tour of Britain, Stage 8a : London I.T.T. (provisional) (8,8 km)1
 
silent_control
Top  #536 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 19:18
TheManxMissile wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.


And neither has ever beaten me in TT. Nor has Cavendish ever beaten me in a sprint. Or Froome on a climb. Ergo i deserve all 85's and must be added to the DB imediately.
Doesn't matter how often i've raced these guys, just as long as i don't lose Wink


I think that Arberg27 was trying to say that that we could take the confrontations between Martin and Wiggins as frame of reference and try to translate it (totally / partially, may be debatable) into PCM stats.

Your irony, TheManxMissile, would have been justified provided the fact that Wiggins and Martin had never 1 v 1'ed before.

Giving Wiggins 82 would be nice, but it might not be necessary. A youtuber called "TheFailuredWay" organized a competition in August - "MLC Tour de France" (where you could buff stats of riders by +1, +2 by linking them with riders of the same team-nationality and rider-nationality. Also, all of the riders were AI-controlled). I chose Wiggins (he got 82 TT) and Martin had 85 TT. And Wiggins won the stage 20 TT of TdF Grin.

https://www.youtu...H9oqIczabw
Edited by silent_control on 24-09-2014 19:20
 
matt17br
Top  #537 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 19:19
silent_control wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Arberg27 wrote:
Martin has only beat Wiggins one time since 2011.


And neither has ever beaten me in TT. Nor has Cavendish ever beaten me in a sprint. Or Froome on a climb. Ergo i deserve all 85's and must be added to the DB imediately.
Doesn't matter how often i've raced these guys, just as long as i don't lose Wink


I think that Arberg27 tried to say that that we could take the confrontations between Martin and Wiggins as frame of reference and try to translate it (totally / partially, may be debatable) into PCM stats.

Your irony, TheManxMissile, would have been justified provided the fact that Wiggins and Martin had never 1 v 1'ed before.

Giving Wiggins 82 would be nice, but it might not be necessary. A youtuber called "TheFailuredWay" organized a competition in August - "MLC Tour de France" (where you could buff stats of riders by +1, +2 by linking them with riders of the same team-nationality and rider-nationality. Also, all of the riders were AI-controlled). I chose Wiggins (he got 82 TT) and Martin had 85 TT. And Wiggins won the stage 20 TT of TdF Grin.

https://www.youtu...H9oqIczabw

We already upped Wiggins stat to 82, just to clarify, it seems more than fair, even if we'd like decimals :lol:
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silent_control
Top  #538 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 19:35
I can't wait to see how many demands there will be Sunday Wink
 
dark_x2012
Top  #539 Print Post
Posted on 24-09-2014 20:45
silent_control wrote:
I can't wait to see how many demands there will be Sunday Wink

Don't expect much Wink The course is for hilly sprinters and not all of them are in good shape.
 
Arberg27
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Posted on 24-09-2014 20:55
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Martin is not better than Wiggins.
Both Wiggins og Martin beat, Dumoulin, Dennis, Malori, Froome, Cancellara, Kiryienka, Barta, Phinney, Uran osv every time almost.
Edited by Arberg27 on 24-09-2014 20:57
 
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