Smoku wrote:
As much as I am always amazed by the fact that a major sports event can be upset by the train company not able to reschedule trains for one hour on one day in year,
Are you serious?
When 2016 breakaway, press, peloton , team cars will pass that track?
It is quite simple actually when it is closed you should not pass it. Yesterday bad luck was that it was closing when peloton head was already true.
Other guys just panicked. (and they have a reasons..like Avermate told ..you never know at cycling. Like last year Giro and Quintana escape)
Race directors act was fast and good..lets hold one and wait few minutes.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 13-04-2015 08:35
Well, I am serious. When maratons are organised in any major city traffic gets rescheduled in an area of a few square miles including all kinds of public transportation - both local and national level. Same goes during major football matches (EURO or WorldCup) only on a smaller scale - all in order to ensure safety for competitors and spectators. It's not that difficult to estimate the time of passage +/- 30 minutes and delay a train or two. Air transportation witnesses much larger delays for much less meaningful reasons. Why the trains can't?
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 13-04-2015 10:24
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Smoku wrote:
It's not that difficult to estimate the time of passage +/- 30 minutes and delay a train or two.
ASO do look at the train schedules to try to minimise the chance of this happening.
But yesterday due to tailwinds throughout the first half of the race, the race was way ahead of schedule at that point - despite having a 10 minute delay before the start to account for that.
The French Railroad company is planning to sue the riders that crossed. The Belgian railroads say they would've done the same if it happened here. It was completely unsafe and viewed by milions on tv. They fear it will encourage amateur cyclists to do the same.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am with Guido on this one, why should even anybody care that there is some cycling race taking place? Delaying trains? I would sue the organisers for lost revenue if that happened and i was businessman waiting for that train. There are clear rules for rider and it is their choice if they want to trespass them (now they will trespass it for sure, cos nobody was DQed as they should). I dont think it will happen many times in the future, it was just bad timing and usually trains are not much of an issue...
Oh please, stop it
Stop what? You think everybody cares about some cycling race? It is on race organisers to set the route to likely avoid these problems, which happened as SN informs, but wind caused faster riding. But delaying the train next times for 30minutes because some riders cant follow the rules should not be an option, people in the train have their own things to catch up, so why rearange their regimes because of cycling race?
Im just amused that some people in here would put people in jail or whatever was uttered by some and imagine themselves to be succesfull business men and sue the organiziers for a few silly trains a year.
I dont wanna be part of this train debacle, so imma just leave it.
Ollfardh wrote:
The French Railroad company is planning to sue the riders that crossed. The Belgian railroads say they would've done the same if it happened here. It was completely unsafe and viewed by milions on tv. They fear it will encourage amateur cyclists to do the same.
100% in favour of suing the riders but next time it wouldn't be a bad idea to put a couple of officials at the conflictive points and exercise the authority. I'm sure ASO knew beforehand that given the pace of the race there could be problems at that rail pass. If not they are irresponsibles. The only policeman who was there was quite overwhelmed having to control 100+ riders with the pulse at the max.
Still, main people to blame are the cyclists and they should pay. IMO, first disqualification of the race (and results) and then a monetary fine, better if comes from UCI instead of the courts.
And the problem aren't the train schedules or the bussimen (it's sunday in France!!!). The problem is that next time we might see a guy exploding (yes, exploding!) in front of a camera... and then, everybody will talk about cycling and how popular it is.
Why should the trains wait? Its a sports event, far from important yet public transport is actually important. We are all passionate about cycling but in the end it is just a meaningless sporting event when you look at the bigger picture, there was nothing the front of the race could do but the riders who ignored it should have been fined and lost the results, if the officials won't do anything then i'm happy that the operators of the train company do, there is absolutely no excuse for what some of the riders did yesterday and if they are going to act like selfish little fools then they should suffer the consequences
Edited by Strydz on 13-04-2015 15:26
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ASO do look at the train schedules to try to minimise the chance of this happening.
But yesterday due to tailwinds throughout the first half of the race, the race was way ahead of schedule at that point - despite having a 10 minute delay before the start to account for that.
If ASO knew about the train schedule then it would have been easily possible to neutralise the race before the train crossing. What did they expect? Idiots.
Both parties are to blame; the organizers probably should have had someone stationed nearby the railroad crossing, and the car should have stopped aswell when the light were flashing. Still, the riders are people with free will and should not have done what they did. Can you imagine the upheavel if someone fell, took with them 3-4 riders and they had been hit? It could very easily have happened and the grizzly death of 3-4-5 people on live TV is not good PR.
When the race developed the way it did, I think the organizers where right in not DQ'ing the riders and instead halt the race for a short period. However, a hefty fine should be given now that the race is over. This is a very serious breach of sporting conduct aswell as traffic laws. It should be a fine that actually sends a message, instead of the usual fine given in sports that equals a half-a-day salary or something.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
Unless I am very much mistaking, that is the Stationsberg descent. It's a high speed 180° turn where Burghart once fell. Pure madness to try this there.
cio93 wrote:
Hey Manx, if you're so mad about pro riders dodging a train by 7 seconds, what's your stance on U23 riders dodging one by about 3?
I agree with TMM here 100%
Those guys are just idiots. Harsh to say but it's the truth. Those guys don't even look. Yes, a race can be... important, I guess. Definitely worth dying for......
Hadn't seen that video before and that really shocks me. That's reckless. Were those guys DSQ and fined?
SportingNonsense wrote:
ASO do look at the train schedules to try to minimise the chance of this happening.
But yesterday due to tailwinds throughout the first half of the race, the race was way ahead of schedule at that point - despite having a 10 minute delay before the start to account for that.
If ASO knew about the train schedule then it would have been easily possible to neutralise the race before the train crossing. What did they expect? Idiots.
Yeah but there was quite a tailwind at that stage and a cycling race is hard to predict timing wise, I could be wrong but wasn't the race already delayed? They clearly were running ahead of time as here in Oz on TV they showed a replay of the last 18 k's of RVV due the race finishing early. It shouldn't of happened but its not the race organisers who are at fault here, its the riders who crossed once they had a chance to stop, the rules are well known and been enforced for years so to my opinion its on the riders.
Edited by Strydz on 13-04-2015 19:33
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