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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-04-2015 19:56
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Is anybody getting maybe just a little suspicious of Kristoff since the latter part of last year.
I mean, stone me if you like, but this is pretty crazy for a guy that is 27 was just a pretty good sprinter at the beginning of last year.
Not that today's win was so impressive, just his rise in the past while.
I don't think he's doped, but Katusha isn't exactly a clean team so i get suspicious easily. 
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| ryant |
Posted on 08-04-2015 20:04
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Is anybody getting maybe just a little suspicious of Kristoff since the latter part of last year.
I mean, stone me if you like, but this is pretty crazy for a guy that is 27 was just a pretty good sprinter at the beginning of last year.
Not that today's win was so impressive, just his rise in the past while.
I don't think he's doped, but Katusha isn't exactly a clean team so i get suspicious easily.
You look at his results last season and this season, there is not such a big difference. Sure he's got much more wins because he has taken part in those mediocre middle east tours, in the big races so far, there has not been a massive difference IMO
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 08-04-2015 20:17
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ryant wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Is anybody getting maybe just a little suspicious of Kristoff since the latter part of last year.
I mean, stone me if you like, but this is pretty crazy for a guy that is 27 was just a pretty good sprinter at the beginning of last year.
Not that today's win was so impressive, just his rise in the past while.
I don't think he's doped, but Katusha isn't exactly a clean team so i get suspicious easily.
You look at his results last season and this season, there is not such a big difference. Sure he's got much more wins because he has taken part in those mediocre middle east tours, in the big races so far, there has not been a massive difference IMO
I'm comparing this and second half of last to before, not this year to last.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 08-04-2015 20:20
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2013 he certainly showed good potential with 14th in GW and some good TDF sprints, alongside good results in the desert and VDK amongst others. It's not like a sudden rise from mid-pack to dominator, there is a progression from 2013 to 2015 (didin't look further back, but PCS is there if you are interested)
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| hanspetter61 |
Posted on 08-04-2015 20:30
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This is the CQ ranking of Kristoff from the last years.
2015 Rus Team Katusha PRT 1 1240 All Points
2014 Rus Team Katusha PRT 4 1964 All Points
2013 Rus Katusha Team PRT 19 1192 All Points
2012 Rus Katusha Team PRT 31 934 All Points
2011 Usa BMC Racing Team PRT 121 456 All Points
2010 Usa BMC Racing Team PROF 125 406 All Points
2009 Nor Joker - Bianchi CONT 476 131 All Points
As u can see he got a natual progress each year. The Norwegian anti doping rules are hard and he has been regularly testet all year thru. |
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| Naxela |
Posted on 08-04-2015 20:33
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For how long can he keep his winning streak, 5 out of 5 right now if you count out the TT in De Panne. I highly doubt he will win in Roubaix but who knows.
baseballlover312 wrote:Is anybody getting maybe just a little suspicious of Kristoff since the latter part of last year.
I'm a Norwegian who loves Kristoff but i can't help being a bit suspicious, i got suspiscious after his Olympic bronze in 2012 and especially after the Milano - San Remo last year, mostly because of his caracther, he seem like a person who would do anything to win, but at the same time he is very sympatic and i know how much effort he's been putting into his training for years. And even in his younger days when he was riding with Boasson Hagen he was a far more promising sprinter so it's hard to tell.
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| Keeperodd |
Posted on 08-04-2015 21:19
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There always are late bloomers and there are early bloomers.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 08-04-2015 21:28
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Is anybody getting maybe just a little suspicious of Kristoff since the latter part of last year.
I mean, stone me if you like, but this is pretty crazy for a guy that is 27 was just a pretty good sprinter at the beginning of last year.
Not that today's win was so impressive, just his rise in the past while.
I don't think he's doped, but Katusha isn't exactly a clean team so i get suspicious easily.
To be fair to Kristoff, he has shown a solid progression in terms of results over his career - and in fact 4th in De Ronde, 9th at Paris-Roubaix and 8th at MSR, being the strongest rider who missed the selection in the leading group, in 2013 are decent indicators of being something a bit better than just a pretty good sprinter, results TMM missed out in his rather random selection from that year. A trend that can be easily spotted in his career, and an attribute that is one of his biggest strengths currently, is that of endurance, and the ability to maintain energy over long distances. This can be seen not only early on - a Giro podium in 2011, an Olympic bronze medal in 2012, podium in Vattenfall in 2013 and a host of strong results in the monuments over the years are all linked by a common factor - stage lengths over 200km. If you look closely through his PCS profile this trend is further backed up, I can't be bothered to list all results here.
Nevertheless I don't really know why I'm defending him though, I mean a) he's a cyclist and b) he rides for Katusha, so odds must be 90% that he's on some stuff, regardless of the success he's been having recently; results which on their own should merit questioning, regardless of how good he has been beforehand.
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The Norwegian anti doping rules are hard
Yep, that's why the Norwegians have been reaching new ludicrous levels of domination in the cross-country skiing this year isn't it?
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| Keeperodd |
Posted on 08-04-2015 22:58
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No, Its just us Norwegians bothering about Cross-Country in the world + Its our national sport. A saying here is that all Norwegians are born with skis on our legs. Im not however, im the worst on skis. Im shit in winter sports in general, more of a summer type of guy so i dont fit in Norway in that sense.
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| marble |
Posted on 08-04-2015 23:42
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He didn't exactly come out of nowhere, he already had a 4th in Vattenfall in 2010 for instance. He also outsprinted Hushovd to win the Norwegian Championships back in 2007 (at 19). Regardless it's not like it's the first time we see sprinters develop later in their career. Greipel won his first Tour stage in 2011. 4 days later he turned 29 and now he has 6 of them. Sure he had results before and I'm sure those who followed him closely was aware of his talent, but that just shows how glancing at someone's PCS page doesn't give you the full picture at all. Not many knew who Mezgec was a couple of years ago either for instance. There are more sprinters who had some of their best results when they got closer to 30 (Ferrari, Bozic, Ventoso, Henderson). So if you want anything to base doping speculation on in this case I wouldn't go this route. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-04-2015 06:50
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He rides for Katusha for gods sake, winning left and right, there is like 99% probability that he is on something, but i fear that it is the similar case for many other top cyclists. So it is hard to judge individuals.
Btw. you cant argue with norwegians about this. 
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| Smowz |
Posted on 09-04-2015 07:49
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Don't really see any issues with Kristoff - he showed in last couple of years he was in top 5 world sprinters.
He also has shown real talent in the cobbled stuff. Just a top rider guys, as people are saying the Norwegian Boonan.
Of course Garmin are complete bollocks this year so BBlover is just trolling away. Poor guy 
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 09-04-2015 09:06
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It's always funny how the Norwegians always jump in defence here. But I got to agree with Stromeon, that skiing looks odd.
Kristoff however is a different issue. His natural progress is evident indeed. Also remember his main opponents are absent, both on the cobbles and in Scheldeprijs yesterday. Katusha doesn't have the best image, but it's not Sky or Astana. So I'm going to say he's just a good rider
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 09-04-2015 09:10
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I know for a fact that Bjoergen and other norwegian skiers got allegedly "aesthma" and cycling fans know what that means but we've gone way offtopic here!
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-04-2015 09:18
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Ollfardh wrote:
Katusha doesn't have the best image, but it's not Sky or Astana.
Yeah, just several positives, several riders into money laundering and team manager just being the partner in crime for Lance. Usual stuff
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| Paul23 |
Posted on 09-04-2015 09:31
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Its not important if Kristoff is on some stuff, because they all are, imo. But that doesn't make the sport negative for me. I like the sport, because of the tactics. If everyone is doped, I don't really care. The main problem is, that the media cares. Doping > Media reporting way too much about it > sponsors stop sponsoring cycling > cycling dies.
Tbh, I think almost everyone in professional sports is taking something. But in most other sports, the rules are way easier to bypass.
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| Keeperodd |
Posted on 09-04-2015 09:52
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I guess Norwegians are to positive when it comes to sport then. I always say people are innocent until they are taken. (Even though i had strong suspicions towards Lance but that was a different time than now.) Also i dont really get this thing you got against us in skiing. I thought it was only us who knew about it If you look into the money we put in it and the training we do its not that surprising. + as i said, its our national sport. (Feel its wrong to use we and training in the same sentence. )
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| CountArach |
Posted on 09-04-2015 11:27
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Paul23 wrote:
Its not important if Kristoff is on some stuff, because they all are, imo.
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The effects of drugs are not consistent across all human beings. Some will derive more benefit from them than others. Just look at EPO in the late 90s/early 00s. It was impossible to make a career if you haematocrit was naturally above 45% because there was almost no benefit to taking EPO, whereas a guy who was naturally below the 40% mark would be able to overtake you despite the fact that you did the same amount of training and had the same level of talent. If you had a naturally low haematocrit you could derive more benefit and thus cycling was not about who was the best at riding but who had the best physiology for doping.
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The main problem is, that the media cares. Doping > Media reporting way too much about it > sponsors stop sponsoring cycling > cycling dies.
So we should just sit down and shut up while people make a mockery of the sport we love? What you seem to be forgetting is that if riders stop doping then the port doesn't die The media is not the problem THE DOPERS ARE THE PROBLEM. It isn't hard. So how do you stop people doping? You catch them. How do you ensure that new riders won't dope? You make it well known that if they dope, you will catch them. The media who are willing to talk about this stuff are on our side.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 09-04-2015 11:39
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CountArach wrote:
Paul23 wrote:
Its not important if Kristoff is on some stuff, because they all are, imo.
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The effects of drugs are not consistent across all human beings. Some will derive more benefit from them than others. Just look at EPO in the late 90s/early 00s. It was impossible to make a career if you haematocrit was naturally above 45% because there was almost no benefit to taking EPO, whereas a guy who was naturally below the 40% mark would be able to overtake you despite the fact that you did the same amount of training and had the same level of talent. If you had a naturally low haematocrit you could derive more benefit and thus cycling was not about who was the best at riding but who had the best physiology for doping.
Paul23 wrote:
The main problem is, that the media cares. Doping > Media reporting way too much about it > sponsors stop sponsoring cycling > cycling dies.
So we should just sit down and shut up while people make a mockery of the sport we love? What you seem to be forgetting is that if riders stop doping then the port doesn't die The media is not the problem THE DOPERS ARE THE PROBLEM. It isn't hard. So how do you stop people doping? You catch them. How do you ensure that new riders won't dope? You make it well known that if they dope, you will catch them. The media who are willing to talk about this stuff are on our side.
Cant agree more.
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 09-04-2015 12:00
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And also not to forget the fact that millionaires like Contador, Boonen etc. have accesss to much better doping program (doctors, better doping) than the guy who buys his shit across the border in Switzerland and injecting or whatever the doping without any assistance (trainers and doctors to keep track of his response to a certain product). Doping creating an even playing field is currently the biggest lie in cycling. Maybe apart from the bullshit Brailsford and his even more bullshit and pathetic marginals gains and whatever that man is able to articulate
Just to bring Armstrong up: was he the most talented? Nope. He was probably just one helluva responder (the drugs simply had more effects on him than others), he was more than happy to spend his money from the get-go on a VERY expensive doping program (best doping available carefully monitored by Ferrari) while at the same time paying Ferrari NOT to work with other due to the fact that Ferrari was the best on his craft AND the fact that Armstrong was the most protected rider in the peloton - even when caught, not much happened. Add some incredibly luck in terms of not crashing and you have 7 straight Tour de Frances
Edit: You have 2 kinds of talent. God given, natural talent and talent in terms of responding the best to doping. My bet is that Froome has the best talent to respond to different products, but he wasn't that lucky when god handed out talents. Same can be said Bjarne Riis. And dont forget Ugrumov who came outta nowhere late in his career due to the fact that he had an incredibly low haematocrit and therefore was on of the riders who absolutely could benefit the most from EPO in early 90s. I also heard a rumour that scouts (this was also in the 90's, probably dont apply anymore and dno if it has applied ever) almost looked more at the rider's heamatocrit than his actual talent in order to maximize his performance with EPO - a rider in the mid 30's who was significantly worse than a rider close to 50 simply had WAY more room to benefit from EPO
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