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| bob7 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 20:44
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Tour de France isn't only race in season. What did Nibali besides Tdf ? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 20-09-2014 20:52
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bob7 wrote:
Tour de France isn't only race in season. What did Nibali besides Tdf ?
Training to get the best shape as possible at the TDF. And you cannot only consider 2014. In 2013's Tirreno he defeatedFroome. He was the only one to do that in a stage race last year.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:21
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I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four  |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:23
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last year. We don't know, what Contador was able to do at le Tour. He won Vuelta without being in the shape, so why can not we suppose, he could defeat Nibali ? The same with Froome. Nibali had no rivals in Tour. It's difficult to judge riders in this year. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:24
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dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
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| Arberg27 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:33
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83: Nibali, Froome, Contador, Quintana (Froome better TT and Quintana weaker TT, Froome and Contador better backup stats, Contador better ACC)
81: Valverde, Rodriguez, Aru (Valverde better in all other stats and Rodriguez better than Aru in hills and ACC)
80: Uran, Pinot, Peraud, Majka, Rolland (Uran better TT) |
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| bob7 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:36
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Arberg27 wrote:
83: Nibali, Froome, Contador, Quintana (Froome better TT and Quintana weaker TT, Froome and Contador better backup stats, Contador better ACC)
81: Valverde, Rodriguez, Aru (Valverde better in all other stats and Rodriguez better than Aru in hills and ACC)
80: Uran, Pinot, Peraud, Majka, Rolland (Uran better TT)
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| matt17br |
Posted on 20-09-2014 21:39
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Arberg27 wrote:
83: Nibali, Froome, Contador, Quintana (Froome better TT and Quintana weaker TT, Froome and Contador better backup stats, Contador better ACC)
81: Valverde, Rodriguez, Aru (Valverde better in all other stats and Rodriguez better than Aru in hills and ACC)
80: Uran, Pinot, Peraud, Majka, Rolland (Uran better TT) .
Too much riders on 80s, but you are getting better at least.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 20-09-2014 22:19
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matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome. |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-09-2014 07:55
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dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome.
I think that you are confusing a bit the meaning of realism. Nibali isn't as good as Froome or Contador, so he has 1 point less than them. Although he is a bit better in the 3rd week, so he has better backup stats than both. No way he can be 81, 2 points worse than Froome and Contador.
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 21-09-2014 08:50
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matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome.
I think that you are confusing a bit the meaning of realism. Nibali isn't as good as Froome or Contador, so he has 1 point less than them. Although he is a bit better in the 3rd week, so he has better backup stats than both. No way he can be 81, 2 points worse than Froome and Contador.
No he's nowhere near those two when it comes to pure climber skills. I agree on the part with backup stats but in top shape he can't match Contador and Froome
I think he's slightly overrated but will stop here. There is no point in spam comments which don't say anything different than before  |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-09-2014 08:55
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dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome.
I think that you are confusing a bit the meaning of realism. Nibali isn't as good as Froome or Contador, so he has 1 point less than them. Although he is a bit better in the 3rd week, so he has better backup stats than both. No way he can be 81, 2 points worse than Froome and Contador.
No he's nowhere near those two when it comes to pure climber skills. I agree on the part with backup stats but in top shape he can't match Contador and Froome
I think he's slightly overrated but will stop here. There is no point in spam comments which don't say anything different than before
Nowhere near? Thanks for those 10 seconds of laughing
Did you ever see Nibali fight against one of them? NO. When you saw Nibali being nowhere near Contador or Froome?
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| dark_x2012 |
Posted on 21-09-2014 08:57
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matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome.
I think that you are confusing a bit the meaning of realism. Nibali isn't as good as Froome or Contador, so he has 1 point less than them. Although he is a bit better in the 3rd week, so he has better backup stats than both. No way he can be 81, 2 points worse than Froome and Contador.
No he's nowhere near those two when it comes to pure climber skills. I agree on the part with backup stats but in top shape he can't match Contador and Froome
I think he's slightly overrated but will stop here. There is no point in spam comments which don't say anything different than before
Nowhere near? Thanks for those 10 seconds of laughing
Did you ever see Nibali fight against one of them? NO. When you saw Nibali being nowhere near Contador or Froome?
Exactly I can't prove it so I stop right here. It's a personal prejudice so I'll wait until next year to either prove my words or be proven wrong |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-09-2014 09:03
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dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
matt17br wrote:
dark_x2012 wrote:
I am fine with Nibali at 82 as long as his supp stats are lower than the other three of the big Four
Are you kidding me? Only Quintana is better than him in the 3rd week.
Well according to you Nibali is a superfavourite in any stage race he takes part in. And this is far from reality. You gotta chose: he's either 82 and worse supp stats or 81 and better sta and rec than Contador and Froome.
I think that you are confusing a bit the meaning of realism. Nibali isn't as good as Froome or Contador, so he has 1 point less than them. Although he is a bit better in the 3rd week, so he has better backup stats than both. No way he can be 81, 2 points worse than Froome and Contador.
No he's nowhere near those two when it comes to pure climber skills. I agree on the part with backup stats but in top shape he can't match Contador and Froome
I think he's slightly overrated but will stop here. There is no point in spam comments which don't say anything different than before
Nowhere near? Thanks for those 10 seconds of laughing
Did you ever see Nibali fight against one of them? NO. When you saw Nibali being nowhere near Contador or Froome?
Exactly I can't prove it so I stop right here. It's a personal prejudice so I'll wait until next year to either prove my words or be proven wrong
Ok, thank you At least we had a non-troll discussion
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 21-09-2014 10:05
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Maybe bring some science in otherwise I'll start screming Kangert MO81 TT80 because I like him.
https://sportsscientists.com/2014/07/t...-the-tour/
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Nibali 2014 and Froome 2013 are very, very evenly matched
The rest of the podium/top contenders are, with one exception, slower in 2014 than 2013. Quintana last year was climbing at the level of Nibali this year, apart from that short climb where Froome was so dominant on Ax-3-Domaines.
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| bob7 |
Posted on 21-09-2014 10:51
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Isn't Kittel undefeated with 83 SP and 83 ACC ? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-09-2014 10:59
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bob7 wrote:
Isn't Kittel undefeated with 83 SP and 83 ACC ?
Undefeated? Underrated maybe? If you are meaning underrated, no, he is not.
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| bob7 |
Posted on 21-09-2014 11:09
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Invincible, better ? |
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| matt17br |
Posted on 21-09-2014 11:22
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bob7 wrote:
Invincible, better ?
No, he is not. Mainly because this year the daily form affects a lot the riders' performances.
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| Tafiolmo |
Posted on 21-09-2014 12:41
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Nibali's not overrated at all and a perfect 82. He won the Tour by 7 and a half minutes and 9 and a half minutes over Valverde.
If Froome and Contador are 83 then he's definitely 82, needs to be at least 2 points over Valverde. The only big issue I see amongst the really big riders is Quintana to whether he should be 83 or 82.
Edited by Tafiolmo on 21-09-2014 12:42
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