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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:28
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Stromeon wrote:
Jesus Christ calm down. Sure they took some downright stupid and irresponsible actions but a 6 month ban?  Like saying you should have your driving licence temporarily removed for jumping a red light.
In the UK jumping a level crossing can be aressted and charged under: Stopping on the Crossing (If unable to complete the crossing), Failing to Obey the Lights, Careless Driving and Dangerous Driving.
Which can lead to fines of multiple thousands, penalty points on your licence and jail time. And because Cyclists fall under many of the same rules as car drivers the penalties are very much the same.
So yes, a 6 month racing ban could be considered a light punishment! And i will take this seriously because i've known someone who died when they abused a level crossing, and i've known some more who've been extremely lucky...
There are riders there who shouldn't be punished because they are on the crossing or unable to stop in time. But there are a number who made a consious decision to go across after the barriers are fully down, and there is zero excuse for that.
Perhaps not DQ them, but a financial penalty needs to be levy'd against them and their teams to discourage it in future.
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| Morganho |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:41
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Jesus Christ calm down. Sure they took some downright stupid and irresponsible actions but a 6 month ban? Like saying you should have your driving licence temporarily removed for jumping a red light.
In the UK jumping a level crossing can be aressted and charged under: Stopping on the Crossing (If unable to complete the crossing), Failing to Obey the Lights, Careless Driving and Dangerous Driving.
Which can lead to fines of multiple thousands, penalty points on your licence and jail time. And because Cyclists fall under many of the same rules as car drivers the penalties are very much the same.
So yes, a 6 month racing ban could be considered a light punishment! And i will take this seriously because i've known someone who died when they abused a level crossing, and i've known some more who've been extremely lucky...
There are riders there who shouldn't be punished because they are on the crossing or unable to stop in time. But there are a number who made a consious decision to go across after the barriers are fully down, and there is zero excuse for that.
Perhaps not DQ them, but a financial penalty needs to be levy'd against them and their teams to discourage it in future.
You're either 12 or mentally retarded. There is a huge difference between what happened in 2006 and what happened today. They barriers came down and split the pack and some riders couldn't stop right away or the guys behind them would crash into them and probably push them to the train line. Yeah some of them should've stopped but then where do you draw the line? Do you DQ only the ones that went through after the barriers were down? What if they couldn't stop in time? Only the last 3? But the others went through before too. The organizers made the right decision, neutralize the race untill everyone was back together and that's it. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:41
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Really enjoyed the battle on the cobbles today and was happy that Degenkolb won, he rode a very good race by not reacting to every attack that went away  and Rowe surprised me by getting 8th place a very good ride for the Welshman  |
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:46
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Ollfardh wrote:
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Ollfardh wrote:
I'm sure Hoste and Van Petegem will be happy they get their 2006 podium back if this is considered to be acceptable
If you don't see a difference between what happened then, and what happened with the majority of the pack today then something is seriously wrong...
https://www.youtu...-w-FcLCpa4
Take a look at 6:40... The pole is down. The riders comes up to it, and goes past. If you must compare, then you have to compare it to those three riders that went through today AFTER everyone else stopped.
Look again, it's more then just those 3 crossing when the barriers were down.
EDIT: Just to be clear on this, I don't want to see the entire pack DQed. I'm talking about rider safety, so the front guys hitting the breaks would've been dangerous as well (though it can't be compared to getting hit by a train of course). Look at those BMC-Wanty?-Astana riders crossing the first barrier together. They could've stopped. As could everyone behind them.
Well then think about 30-60 riders all crashing ontop of eachother in the middle of the railway... That would have been more of a natural selection than a DQ. But I guess rules are there to make the riders safe, no matter the outcome.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:46
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Morganho wrote:
You're either 12 or mentally retarded. There is a huge difference between what happened in 2006 and what happened today. They barriers came down and split the pack and some riders couldn't stop right away or the guys behind them would crash into them and probably push them to the train line. Yeah some of them should've stopped but then where do you draw the line? Do you DQ only the ones that went through after the barriers were down? What if they couldn't stop in time? Only the last 3? But the others went through before too. The organizers made the right decision, neutralize the race untill everyone was back together and that's it.
I never f*cking mentioned 2006! The two are clearly very different situations, hence why i hvn't compared them. But great to know your reading my comments fully and are clearly informed about my argument. As an extra, it's always a good idea to go personal right out the gun, makes you look super inteligent and respectable.
I'm saying the last 3 need a serious punishment, whilst the others need to take a financial penalty as do their teams. But then i said that in the comment you clearly didn't read
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:48
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Stromeon wrote:
Jesus Christ calm down. Sure they took some downright stupid and irresponsible actions but a 6 month ban? Like saying you should have your driving licence temporarily removed for jumping a red light.
In the UK jumping a level crossing can be aressted and charged under: Stopping on the Crossing (If unable to complete the crossing), Failing to Obey the Lights, Careless Driving and Dangerous Driving.
Which can lead to fines of multiple thousands, penalty points on your licence and jail time. And because Cyclists fall under many of the same rules as car drivers the penalties are very much the same.
So yes, a 6 month racing ban could be considered a light punishment! And i will take this seriously because i've known someone who died when they abused a level crossing, and i've known some more who've been extremely lucky...
There are riders there who shouldn't be punished because they are on the crossing or unable to stop in time. But there are a number who made a consious decision to go across after the barriers are fully down, and there is zero excuse for that.
Perhaps not DQ them, but a financial penalty needs to be levy'd against them and their teams to discourage it in future.
Absolute bullshit, sorry to say mate... 6 months ban for risking my life? Bollocks. Give them a fine after the regular french rules for not stopping for a train. That would make sense.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:51
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SotD wrote:
Absolute bullshit, sorry to say mate... 6 months ban for risking my life? Bollocks. Give them a fine after the regular french rules for not stopping for a train. That would make sense.
What are the French rules? Because that is what they should get. And that is why i'm saying 6months, because it would be something similar for a UK car driver. I didn't pick it out of nowhere.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 12-04-2015 16:55
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Whilst i don't want to become embroiled in this argument at the end of the day there were several riders who totally ignored the actions of the policeman on the motorbike and so if there is any punishment to be dished out it should be done by the police force with the riders involved.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:05
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Watching sprint again..
Dagenkolb did it perfectly..watched that he wont be boxed and when launched 250 to go..looks like easy.
And guys who starting to talk that ..It was boring race. F--k Off ..really. |
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| SotD |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:06
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TheManxMissile wrote:
SotD wrote:
Absolute bullshit, sorry to say mate... 6 months ban for risking my life? Bollocks. Give them a fine after the regular french rules for not stopping for a train. That would make sense.
What are the French rules? Because that is what they should get. And that is why i'm saying 6months, because it would be something similar for a UK car driver. I didn't pick it out of nowhere.
So if you - on bike - crosses a railway where the bars are down you receive a 6 months driving "ban"? I'm sorry, but I find that extremely hard to believe. In Denmark it costs a fine - I believe the fine is equivalent to 250£.
I don't think we have any cycling bans in Denmark no matter how shit you ride your bike.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:08
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We're clearly not going to agree so let's drop it.
Plenty of good stuff we should be talking about like Etixx failing to win any of the major cobbled classics
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:26
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Watching sprint again..
Dagenkolb did it perfectly..watched that he wont be boxed and when launched 250 to go..looks like easy.
And guys who starting to talk that ..It was boring race. F--k Off ..really.
Well, he was clearly best sprinter in the pack and Lampaert lead out Å tyby too early, so that was easy like to buy milk in the shop for Degenkolb. I cant imagine how he could loose that race since he entered velodrome near the top.
That train thing, those riders who crossed after policemen signalling should be punished hard, what a stupidity.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:29
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In Belgium, you lose your drivers license for 14 days for that. That is however a case for the normal courts, not something the race directors get involved in. In football, there have been cases of players getting sanctioned by a normal court for what they do on the field. So the question in that case is what the French gendarmerie thinks of it and what the penalties in France are.
What I was talking about is what the cycling world should do. I'm sure all these guys have been in the amateur or junior races. Stopping for a train is something that happens a lot there, so I don't think anyone can claim not to know the rules or never been in a situation like that before. They aso know what the consequences are. About 20 riders that could safely stop did not. Three riders that had stopped and were told by an offcial not to cross, did cross. In my opinion, an (immediate) DSQ for those 23 should have followed, with additionals fines for the 3 guys there.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:46
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TdF stage win and Worlds this year plus RVV next year left, then he can retire. 
jihardy wrote:
I was out all day and I missed the entire race so I recorded the race to watch it later, turn on the radio in the car and they say Degenkolb won. FML
Rule #1 when recording sports events: listen to a CD while driving, or at least mute the channel when the news come up.
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| ryant |
Posted on 12-04-2015 17:54
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good race... Degenkolb was the strongest on the day and deserved the win, but you've got to question how Etixx thought Stybar could out sprint him there
Elmiger with another strong ride, very good for a rider of his age, hope he can do something similar next year
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| Omloop |
Posted on 12-04-2015 18:01
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Greg Van Avermaet was the BMC rider who crossed the railway just before the train came. |
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 12-04-2015 18:03
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Omloop wrote:
Greg Van Avermaet was the BMC rider who crossed the railway just before the train came.
Wow, it would have been interesting if they disqualified him. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and I think there should have been action. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 12-04-2015 18:14
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Omloop wrote:
Greg Van Avermaet was the BMC rider who crossed the railway just before the train came.
Is that confirmed? And if so how and where? (before i go off on a complete rage....)
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 12-04-2015 18:21
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FroomeDog99 wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Greg Van Avermaet was the BMC rider who crossed the railway just before the train came.
Wow, it would have been interesting if they disqualified him. It was an incredibly stupid thing to do and I think there should have been action.
No point to DQ him now, it should've been done 10-20 km after the incident. He decided the race for a big part.
But if he was that last BMC guy to cross, there should be an additional sanction for him.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Omloop |
Posted on 12-04-2015 18:30
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Omloop wrote:
Greg Van Avermaet was the BMC rider who crossed the railway just before the train came.
Is that confirmed? And if so how and where? (before i go off on a complete rage....)
My source is the Norwegian broadcasting company Tv2 who had interwieved him after the race where he said " I rode through. I didn't want to spoil the race, bacause you never know in cycling. It is good that it was neutralized, but I rode through. I saw the train coming, but it was still a bit of time left. This race is a huge goal for me and I didn't want to lose it there". This is my translation, but i think it sums it up pretty good.
Edited by Omloop on 12-04-2015 18:31
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