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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-05-2013 10:47
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kumazan wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
That's not the reason. Don't believe in OMQS
Topsport Vlaanderen is always first to let their riders sign contracts about doping, always clearly against doping and they barely make results with talented riders = riders without doping.
Don't always believe if they sign a contract (as Sky do...)
And Katusha used to do as well, don't know if they still do.
Also Garmin (Rasmussen) and HTC (former T-Moblie riders) as well now i think
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-05-2013 10:49
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Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-05-2013 10:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
I really wish everyone would take me seriously and not say I'm either naive or biased because I'm Flemish and that team is Flemish... |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-05-2013 10:55
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Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
I really wish everyone would take me seriously and not say I'm either naive or biased because I'm Flemish and that team is Flemish...
For the record is like TSV. They always have some really good riders and overall a nice attitude and style.
But i've learned with cycling to always be careful. I've trusted in the wrong people too many times...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 06-05-2013 10:57
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
I really wish everyone would take me seriously and not say I'm either naive or biased because I'm Flemish and that team is Flemish...
For the record is like TSV. They always have some really good riders and overall a nice attitude and style.
But i've learned with cycling to always be careful. I've trusted in the wrong people too many times...
Okay, I get that. But then at least come with arguments or say that instead of: you're just biased/naive. That's not really a counter-argument that proves TSV dopes their riders, is it? |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 06-05-2013 11:00
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Only Avin said naive, and i never mentioned biased  Just that several teams sign contracts, and that some of those teams and riders/staff have been proved to dope, and some are all but proven to dope
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-05-2013 11:45
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Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
I really wish everyone would take me seriously and not say I'm either naive or biased because I'm Flemish and that team is Flemish...
This was not aimed at you personally Ian, rather for everyone who thinks signing on piece of paper means something with doping or not.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 06-05-2013 11:48
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Just give me some of their riders/ex-riders that got caught. 
I'm not saying their are any but you might have to search hard.
Edited by Spilak23 on 06-05-2013 11:49
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-05-2013 11:49
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Ian Butler wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Naivity, present on planet Earth since Big Bang...
I really wish everyone would take me seriously and not say I'm either naive or biased because I'm Flemish and that team is Flemish...
For the record is like TSV. They always have some really good riders and overall a nice attitude and style.
But i've learned with cycling to always be careful. I've trusted in the wrong people too many times...
Okay, I get that. But then at least come with arguments or say that instead of: you're just biased/naive. That's not really a counter-argument that proves TSV dopes their riders, is it?
Positive test is good argument i think, rest is just statements and different stories...of course what happened to TSV rider could be and probably is, true ( story with puffer). But TSV being first team to sign some papers is not argument for them being clean, that would be really naive to think.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-05-2013 11:50
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Spilak23 wrote:
Just give me some of their riders/ex-riders that got caught.
I'm not saying their are any but you might have to search hard.
I am not saying doping is going there (i dont think so), but argument with team being anti-doping presented is invalid.
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