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Tour de France, Stage 16 - Wednesday, Pau - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 17:08
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lluuiiggii wrote:
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Well if Wiggins has been boring, then what about all the other so called GC hopefuls, they have all done f**k all except for Nibali 
To attack you don't need only the guts, but also the legs. They can't even keep up with Wiggins, let alone attack him.
But to beat him, why dont they attack a bit earlier rather than the last couple of KM's all the time  |
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| kgarvey |
Posted on 18-07-2012 17:09
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Yeah a lot of wasted mountains in this tour. 1 big MTF is lacking for me, a stage that finished on the Tourmalet rather than having it with 120km to go would have been more like it (although they obviously had that just a few years ago).
That said the result would have been no different and as others have mentioned this route could have probably been good with a more competitive field.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 17:13
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sutty68 wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Well if Wiggins has been boring, then what about all the other so called GC hopefuls, they have all done f**k all except for Nibali
To attack you don't need only the guts, but also the legs. They can't even keep up with Wiggins, let alone attack him.
But to beat him, why dont they attack a bit earlier rather than the last couple of KM's all the time
baseballlover312 wrote:
Van den Broeck, Rolland, Pinot, Brajkovic, Van Garderen, Evans have all attacked. Froome is too loyal. So yes, that would be the case, but it's not.
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| Wilier |
Posted on 18-07-2012 17:15
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Froome's 'loyalty' has also been one of the biggest dissapointments this Tour. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 18-07-2012 17:36
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Enjoyed the stage, even if the GC battle was somewhat underwhelming. The compelling thing was watching this 39 man break disintegrate, re-form etc. just like main group.
Voeckler was sensational, he has had a fantastic tour once more. The guy in second Sorenson has kept trying and trying as evidenced I guess by his position in the King of the Mountains competition. He has tried so hard. I wonder if he or Kessiekoff will go for break tomorrow?
Liquigas and Lotto gave it a go in the GC battle, not putting anyone in the break and you could see guys like Greipal and espiecially Sagan staying up there far longer than you would have expected for their team leaders.
But by this stage we already know that Froome and Wiggins are going to be hard to break down. The competition is little lacking here and the current GC top 10 really shows that.
Evans, when he cracks its weird he looks just like he does when he his riding strong to me. I need shot of others riding away to confirm!
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| cosmic |
Posted on 18-07-2012 19:13
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sutty68 wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Well if Wiggins has been boring, then what about all the other so called GC hopefuls, they have all done f**k all except for Nibali
To attack you don't need only the guts, but also the legs. They can't even keep up with Wiggins, let alone attack him.
But to beat him, why dont they attack a bit earlier rather than the last couple of KM's all the time
Beating Wiggins isn't the problem tho. Beating the armada of Sky riders that suddenly are world top class climbers is. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:21
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CapzLock wrote:
Just to know...why do foreigners seem to like french riders ? Especially Europcar..
May I ask it the other way round ? Why do French so-called fans hate their domestic riders, especially those winning races ?
I don't believe in clichés, but the one saying the French hate winners sometimes sound so true.
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Officially the worst TdF ever.
What did u expect? putting Tourmalet with 120km to go is a blatant waste of a brilliant climb by A.S.O. No one gonna go for it with 120km to go.
That's my point. This is the worst route ever.
They have gradiently made them easier and easier in the previous year but this one tops it.
Not one stage finishing on a HC climb. Not 1 single stage where you can really make a difference. There are like what, 4?, mountain stages and they all suck.
Why has the Tour route become so pathetic compared to the Giro.
Organisers offer, riders deliver.
What can organisers do if riders want to ride like cowards ? Nothing.
With MTF every day, they'd climb mountains as a slow procession, and bar attacking riders with no G.C. ambition, nothing, absolutely nothing would happen before the bottom of the last climb. Just a procession of riders driven by the Maillot Jaune team mates. Then everyone would pace himself to the finish line, and the riders would end up in the order of their strength. Talk about boring...
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Voeckler: shitty personality, but great class as a rider.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:25
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The Romanian commentators usually only talk crap. But today they were onto something. It's not always the route that makes a race interesting. The riders are far more important than the route when it comes to the entertaining part of a race.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:27
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Aquarius wrote:
Organisers offer, riders deliver.
This. The route was far from perfect, but it was still an improvement from the previous years. There have been 3 things that, combined, have caused the Tour to not to be as exciting as it could have been, imo:
1) Sky domination, entirely unexpected by the time the route was announced.
2) Questionable tactics - attacking in descents CAN'T work if you don't isolate the heads of state before
3) Lack of legs/balls from the contenders/their teams (where the hell is Szmyd?).
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:41
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I agree that riders have to deliver the action. It's not only the route. Nibali is trying, but Wiggins and Froome are sitting and defending very well with fresh legs.
One that has been very dissapointing is Szmyd. Got dropped really early when there still where around 50-70 riders still in the main group. Basso looks better and did great work for Nibali today. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:41
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4) half of the contenders crashing out or not even starting once again (contador, shcleck mainly ofcourse) |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:42
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Yeah, something is off with Szmyd. Hadn't been any better in Il Giro.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:43
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ruben wrote:
4) half of the contenders crashing out or not even starting once again (contador, shcleck mainly ofcourse)
Contador and Schleck were last year and it was crap anyway. Not a matter of names.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-07-2012 20:59
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UCI and ASO should see these threads.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:08
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alexkr00 wrote:
Yeah, something is off with Szmyd. Hadn't been any better in Il Giro.
man is out of form..
I can accept that when he will back at Giro and doing he's magic there as every year.
Basso was not strong enough today. But it was nice start..poison to Sky has been so far only Vandert |
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| Ybodonk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:41
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kumazan wrote:
ruben wrote:
4) half of the contenders crashing out or not even starting once again (contador, shcleck mainly ofcourse)
Contador and Schleck were last year and it was crap anyway. Not a matter of names.
Sorry to say but this is foolish.
Why did Contador under perform last year ?
First of all he wrote all season and won so many races, including the maybe hardest Giro ever. Furthermore Contador did have a couple of crashes in the Tour last year, along with the weakest team who couldnt protect him. He was complety wasted, compared to his normal performance level obv.
And Andy Schleck will always just be number two, because he lives in Contadors era. And he did only follow contador last year, which was his main mistake.
Lets make a bet if you are so sure. I will say next years tour will be amazing if Contador and Schleck is present, and at their best.
Then i can promise you it will be amazing and that Team Sky wont stand a chance. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:42
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Ybodonk wrote:
kumazan wrote:
ruben wrote:
4) half of the contenders crashing out or not even starting once again (contador, shcleck mainly ofcourse)
Contador and Schleck were last year and it was crap anyway. Not a matter of names.
Sorry to say but this is foolish.
Why did Contador under perform last year ?
First of all he wrote all season and won so many races, including the maybe hardest Giro ever. Furthermore Contador did have a couple of crashes in the Tour last year, along with the weakest team who couldnt protect him. He was complety wasted, compared to his normal performance level obv.
And Andy Schleck will always just be number two, because he lives in Contadors era. And he did only follow contador last year, which was his main mistake.
Lets make a bet if you are so sure. I will say next years tour will be amazing if Contador and Schleck is present, and at their best.
Then i can promise you it will be amazing and that Team Sky wont stand a chance.
But he had Richie Porte, one of the best World Tour climbers! 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:44
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so..Wiggins be a gentelman..give a tour win to Froome..and take it himself against Clentie and Andy.. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:45
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Contador was in 2009 and 2010. The former was utter crap, and the latter wasn't better than this year's. So no, not a matter of names.
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| fcancellara |
Posted on 18-07-2012 21:56
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I just realized Nibali is the best climber this Tour.
Wiggins or Froome on their own would not stand a chance.
I hope one of them crashes, THEN we see a good battle.
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