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jph27
issoisso wrote:
jph27 wrote:
I'd pay to read a book about cycling written by isso. Seriously.


"Useless random trivia, by some guy"

If it's about what happened in the past of cycling that you're interested in (since that's what I usually mention) I recommend David McGann's histories of the Tour and Giro, both in book form.

The Tour history is now available online. Prepare to spend 36 consecutive hours glued to it Pfft
https://www.bikera...y1990.html


That can be my task for the summer holidays. Pfft
 
issoisso
Bushwackers wrote:
I have a theory as to why Sky snubbed Danny Pate in the Tour team. He probably refused to take part in any of their enhancement, so they just refused to bring him. That would explain why he was on their A-team all year, but then didn't get selected for the Tour. Since most of the Sky team hasn't been at this level of dominance (while still riding extremely well) until now, it suggests that they have only started cheating for the Tour (perhaps to keep suspicions low for most of the season and reduce the risk of getting caught). When they tried to get Danny Pate to take part, he would have refused and that explains why they made the surprise decision not to bring him, which was against everyone's expectations.


Now you're just being silly.

The real explanation is obvious: Sky's goal is to win the Tour with a british rider, so it would be counterproductive to bring a non-british rider who is so much better than anyone else
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Bushwackers
I'm glad you seem to find this funny.
It makes sense though, and while of course I don't have any proof other than logical deductions, it is a perfectly viable theory that explains Danny Pate's exclusion as well as Sky results.
 
baseballlover312
issoisso wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
I have a theory as to why Sky snubbed Danny Pate in the Tour team. He probably refused to take part in any of their enhancement, so they just refused to bring him. That would explain why he was on their A-team all year, but then didn't get selected for the Tour. Since most of the Sky team hasn't been at this level of dominance (while still riding extremely well) until now, it suggests that they have only started cheating for the Tour (perhaps to keep suspicions low for most of the season and reduce the risk of getting caught). When they tried to get Danny Pate to take part, he would have refused and that explains why they made the surprise decision not to bring him, which was against everyone's expectations.


Now you're just being silly.

The real explanation is obvious: Sky's goal is to win the Tour with a british rider, so it would be counterproductive to bring a non-british rider who is so much better than anyone else

Pate gets a lot hate. Doubt this is true (Bushwakers), but Pate is better and would help Cav quite a lot.
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issoisso
Bushwackers wrote:
I'm glad you seem to find this funny.
It makes sense though, and while of course I don't have any proof other than logical deductions, it is a perfectly viable theory that explains Danny Pate's exclusion as well as Sky results.


OK, I'll bite:

Your theory implies that Danny is aware his team is doping, but doesn't come forward to the authorities with this fact. How dare you imply Danny is complicit in doping? Pfft
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Bushwackers
That's right baseball lover. Sometimes it seems like this forum is full of Pate-Haters. And like I said a few days ago, he would definitely be a lot more useful than Sivtsov right about now Wink
 
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Smoku
I'm just thinking - all this thread is based on an assumption that Sky is overperforming. And what if simply everyone else is underperforming? In doping era this would not be possible - everyone would pump their form up. If cycling now is clean indeed, then we are going to see favourites fade and underdogs getting lifetime results - that's sport.

It's kinda funny that you are using something which may be seen as a proof for the cleanness of the sport as a proof for its fakeness.

Now - I'm not saying that Sky is either clean or cheating. I'm just saying that you are overreacting and misinterpreting some facts.
 
Bushwackers
issoisso wrote:
Bushwackers wrote:
I'm glad you seem to find this funny.
It makes sense though, and while of course I don't have any proof other than logical deductions, it is a perfectly viable theory that explains Danny Pate's exclusion as well as Sky results.


OK, I'll bite:

Your theory implies that Danny is aware his team is doping, but doesn't come forward to the authorities with this fact. How dare you imply Danny is complicit in doping? Pfft


Well I think its pretty much unheard of for a rider to come out the moment that he is exposed to cheating. I wouldn't be surprised though that when Sky gets caught he will be part of it.
 
issoisso
Bushwackers wrote:And like I said a few days ago, he would definitely be a lot more useful than Sivtsov right about now Wink


Please clarify: Are you bashing a guy who's in a hospital with a broken leg for not riding a bike up a mountain in his condition? Or are you criticizing Sky managers for not being psychic? :lol:
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baseballlover312
Smoku wrote:
I'm just thinking - all this thread is based on an assumption that Sky is overperforming. And what if simply everyone else is underperforming? In doping era this would not be possible - everyone would pump their form up. If cycling now is clean indeed, then we are going to see favourites fade and underdogs getting lifetime results - that's sport.

It's kinda funny that you are using something which may be seen as a proof for the cleanness of the sport as a proof for its fakeness.

Now - I'm not saying that Sky is either clean or cheating. I'm just saying that you are overreacting and misinterpreting some facts.

Makes sense that 191 guys would underperform.
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Smoku wrote:
I'm just thinking - all this thread is based on an assumption that Sky is overperforming. And what if simply everyone else is underperforming? In doping era this would not be possible - everyone would pump their form up. If cycling now is clean indeed, then we are going to see favourites fade and underdogs getting lifetime results - that's sport.

It's kinda funny that you are using something which may be seen as a proof for the cleanness of the sport as a proof for its fakeness.

Now - I'm not saying that Sky is either clean or cheating. I'm just saying that you are overreacting and misinterpreting some facts.


That makes sense. everyone is underperforming except SKY.
Everyone failed to train good enough for this years tdf.

-> do you seriously believe what you have written?
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jph27
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.
 
baseballlover312
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.
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baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


I'm pretty sure its just because I like him.
 
jph27
baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


It's not TGDP hate, it's simply that not everyone loves him as much as Bushwackers.
 
issoisso
Smoku wrote:
I'm just thinking - all this thread is based on an assumption that Sky is overperforming. And what if simply everyone else is underperforming? In doping era this would not be possible - everyone would pump their form up. If cycling now is clean indeed, then we are going to see favourites fade and underdogs getting lifetime results - that's sport.

It's kinda funny that you are using something which may be seen as a proof for the cleanness of the sport as a proof for its fakeness.

Now - I'm not saying that Sky is either clean or cheating. I'm just saying that you are overreacting and misinterpreting some facts.


That's also been mentioned before in this topic, and addressed then Smile

As I said then: It's a stretch to believe that at the same race every single team except one can screw up their preparation, but I can maybe buy it.......

....But 5 times in one season? Jesus. Algarve, Paris-Nice, Romandie, Dauphiné. Pretty impossible, no?

jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.


99%

The other 1% is because he's Danny Pate

baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


There's no Danny Pate hate. Just amusement at a guy who overrates him to hilarious levels due to obvious homerism Grin
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baseballlover312
jph27 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


It's not TGDP hate, it's simply that not everyone loves him as much as Bushwackers.

Everyone is always being sarcastic about him. Like an inside joke. I'm relatively new to the site, so I just don't get it.
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baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


It's not TGDP hate, it's simply that not everyone loves him as much as Bushwackers.

Everyone is always being sarcastic about him. Like an inside joke. I'm relatively new to the site, so I just don't get it.


It's really that simple. Bushwackers is always saying Pate is a better climber than Siutsou, that no one in the peloton can pull on the front as long and fast as him, etc etc.

So we laugh about it.
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baseballlover312
issoisso wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
One wonders how much of Bushwackers support for TGDP (The Great Danny Pate) is down to them being from the same state.

I really do't understand what the Danny Pate hate is about though.


It's not TGDP hate, it's simply that not everyone loves him as much as Bushwackers.

Everyone is always being sarcastic about him. Like an inside joke. I'm relatively new to the site, so I just don't get it.


It's really that simple. Bushwackers is always saying Pate is a better climber than Siutsou, that no one in the peloton can pull on the front as long and fast as him, etc etc.

So we laugh about it.

He is pretty good at pulling on the front. But whatever.
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Smoku
Stijn_vranken wrote:
Smoku wrote:
I'm just thinking - all this thread is based on an assumption that Sky is overperforming. And what if simply everyone else is underperforming? In doping era this would not be possible - everyone would pump their form up. If cycling now is clean indeed, then we are going to see favourites fade and underdogs getting lifetime results - that's sport.

It's kinda funny that you are using something which may be seen as a proof for the cleanness of the sport as a proof for its fakeness.

Now - I'm not saying that Sky is either clean or cheating. I'm just saying that you are overreacting and misinterpreting some facts.



That makes sense. everyone is underperforming except SKY.
Everyone failed to train good enough for this years tdf.

-> do you seriously believe what you have written?

Yeah I do - because I'm consideruing also few basic facts you guys seem to forget anout for some reason.

of these 191 guys,
a) 3/4 do not care about GC, so we'll never know what could they achieve if they wanted - they're simply out of this comparison.
b) quite a lot sufffered from crashes so they are obviously underperforing
c) turns out that the remaining people who could do better, but do match up Sky are not that many - few leaders and some of their lieutenets 15-20 cyclists maybe?

So it does make sanse that 5 cyclist are doing a lot better than the other 20. It's natural. It may happen. And who knows - in few days the luck may turn and BMC will start to dominate. Will you start accusing them as well?
 
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