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Tour de France, Stage 9 - Monday, July 9th Arc-et-Senans - Besançon
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| Smal |
Posted on 09-07-2012 17:19
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People in this country aren't that interested in cycling. We have barely any high quality domestic races and we have the most popular football league to distract people. Our media know they will sell more papers in the summer by making up football transfer rumours and writing them instead of TdF stuff |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 17:22
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Down side is, it's quite clear the people in charge don't really have much of an interest in a top level race either. Despite the fact it would get the crowds.
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| Coop |
Posted on 09-07-2012 18:09
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Tehgriefer wrote:
I really can't understand how some trolls blame on Wiggins saying he's doped, this is the result of almost 2 years of training, study, lab work, and an excelent preparation, he has more than 100.000 metres of high-quality climbing this year, Sky made an awesome job at Teide, Canarias (Spain). I personally think that this kind of cyclism is not very passional, even can be boring but.... he deserves it, so trolls, STFU.
Wow, 22 teams in the TDF and only 1 decided to train for it, how original. Replace the "Wiggins" with "Armstrong" and you get the cynicism. Same old fanboy excuses, just a different team. |
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Posted on 09-07-2012 18:22
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Coop wrote:
Tehgriefer wrote:
I really can't understand how some trolls blame on Wiggins saying he's doped, this is the result of almost 2 years of training, study, lab work, and an excelent preparation, he has more than 100.000 metres of high-quality climbing this year, Sky made an awesome job at Teide, Canarias (Spain). I personally think that this kind of cyclism is not very passional, even can be boring but.... he deserves it, so trolls, STFU.
Wow, 22 teams in the TDF and only 1 decided to train for it, how original. Replace the "Wiggins" with "Armstrong" and you get the cynicism. Same old fanboy excuses, just a different team.
Please go back to the doping thread. Both of you. Keep this thread about race discussion, as I'd much rather read and comment on that.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-07-2012 18:33
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Grats Wiggins. I was hoping Froome would beat him so we could have some excitement in the intra-team battle, but it was a long shot
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| 9-Ball |
Posted on 09-07-2012 19:11
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Well, that was moderately painful to watch. I may have odd biases but I don't like the GT courses being designed to suit (to put it very mildly indeed) TT specialist. It's just not in the spirit of the race, in my view. It's way over-balanced in favor of TTs this year, especially with the paucity of major mountain stages/finishes, overall. We'll see what the rest of Week 2 brings but something of a bitter taste in the mouth after today's stage.
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Posted on 09-07-2012 19:32
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9-Ball wrote:
Well, that was moderately painful to watch. I may have odd biases but I don't like the GT courses being designed to suit (to put it very mildly indeed) TT specialist. It's just not in the spirit of the race, in my view. It's way over-balanced in favor of TTs this year, especially with the paucity of major mountain stages/finishes, overall. We'll see what the rest of Week 2 brings but something of a bitter taste in the mouth after today's stage.
Well, the hillier stages so far have not been suited at all to TT specialist. Both La Planche des Belles Filles stage and the Porrentruy stage had short steep climbs that were designed to give them trouble. Also two small hilltop finishes in the first week could have caused them problems were it not for a few crashes. Also this TT was rolling and wasn't the worst TT for climbers.
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Posted on 09-07-2012 19:32
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9-Ball wrote:
Well, that was moderately painful to watch. I may have odd biases but I don't like the GT courses being designed to suit (to put it very mildly indeed) TT specialist. It's just not in the spirit of the race, in my view. It's way over-balanced in favor of TTs this year, especially with the paucity of major mountain stages/finishes, overall. We'll see what the rest of Week 2 brings but something of a bitter taste in the mouth after today's stage.
Well, the hillier stages so far have not been suited at all to TT specialist. Both La Planche des Belles Filles stage and the Porrentruy stage had short steep climbs that were designed to give them trouble. Also two small hilltop finishes in the first week could have caused them problems were it not for a few crashes. Also this TT was rolling and wasn't the worst TT for climbers.
Lets wait and see for further mountain stages, I haven`t studied the profile very much yet. |
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| sylvao |
Posted on 09-07-2012 20:13
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At least Froome will not focus on the KoM jersey now but more on the individual classification. Maybe future fights between PINOT and KESSIAKOFF, or SORENSEN. Hopefully there are races in the race  |
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| tfernandes |
Posted on 09-07-2012 20:41
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Posted on 09-07-2012 21:13
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I'm not pointing fingers or judging in any way here, since I don't have the knowledge about being a professional cyclist to do so.
But to see a big guy like Bradley Wiggins. A guy who couldn't even muster a decent time trial when he turned to the road. A guy coming from the track who's now as accomplished in the mountains as the best ones and all of the sudden absolutely superior in time trials.
I don't know, it just seems.....odd.
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:14
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like it's so suprising Froome and Wiggins beat a 35-year old Evans. A not-in-top shape Cancellara and a hurt Tony Martin.
Not to mention the other competitors. Over-the-top Menchov. Nibali who did his best ITT ever (he usually finished between 15-20) and for the rest worn and beaten contenders and left-over guys who normally don't even top 15 (Monfort, Zubeldia).
Contador in top form would sweep the floor with the Sky duo uphill (let's not forget, JvdB put pressure on those two yesterday. Contador rode away from JvdB like he was not even there in the past). And I don't think Contador in top form would lose more than 45 seconds on Wiggins in an ITT. (=Froome level). |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:16
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ruben wrote:
like it's so suprising Froome and Wiggins beat a 35-year old Evans. A not-in-top shape Cancellara and a hurt Tony Martin.
Not to mention the other competitors. Over-the-top Menchov. Nibali who did his best ITT ever (he usually finished between 15-20) and for the rest worn and beaten contenders and left-over guys who normally don't even top 15 (Monfort, Zubeldia).
Contador in top form would sweep the floor with the Sky duo uphill (let's not forget, JvdB put pressure on those two yesterday. Contador rode away from JvdB like he was not even there in the past). And I don't think Contador in top form would lose more than 45 seconds on Wiggins in an ITT. (=Froome level).
Wait, Cancellara is in top shape.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:44
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ruben wrote:
like it's so suprising Froome and Wiggins beat a 35-year old Evans. A not-in-top shape Cancellara and a hurt Tony Martin.
Not to mention the other competitors. Over-the-top Menchov. Nibali who did his best ITT ever (he usually finished between 15-20) and for the rest worn and beaten contenders and left-over guys who normally don't even top 15 (Monfort, Zubeldia).
Contador in top form would sweep the floor with the Sky duo uphill (let's not forget, JvdB put pressure on those two yesterday. Contador rode away from JvdB like he was not even there in the past). And I don't think Contador in top form would lose more than 45 seconds on Wiggins in an ITT. (=Froome level).
You have underrrated Nibali here massively, he said he wanted to be with 90 seocnds of Wiggins, and that over 2 minutes would be bad. 2'01" is a massive disappointment for him. Barring the Dauphine it's the largest time gap he has ever given to Wiggins in a TT, he only lost a minute in the Vuelta, when he was clearly out of form.
In fact the only time trial since 2008 where he has lost more to a GT contender was in 2009 where he lost 2'06" to Contador.
Wiggins and Froome were amazing today. I hope it rains in the mountains, because then Nibali can at least make a go of closing the gap.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:50
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The bright side, with such gaps, is that any contender with ambition will have to attack from further than Purito or Valverde usually do.
Dark side, after their Planche-des-Belles-Filles and their ITT show, Sky look unbeatable, on the flat as well as when climbing is involved. I hope we won't see a "race for third place" race too soon. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:53
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baseballlover312 wrote:
ruben wrote:
like it's so suprising Froome and Wiggins beat a 35-year old Evans. A not-in-top shape Cancellara and a hurt Tony Martin.
Not to mention the other competitors. Over-the-top Menchov. Nibali who did his best ITT ever (he usually finished between 15-20) and for the rest worn and beaten contenders and left-over guys who normally don't even top 15 (Monfort, Zubeldia).
Contador in top form would sweep the floor with the Sky duo uphill (let's not forget, JvdB put pressure on those two yesterday. Contador rode away from JvdB like he was not even there in the past). And I don't think Contador in top form would lose more than 45 seconds on Wiggins in an ITT. (=Froome level).
Wait, Cancellara is in top shape.
No he is not. Cancellara has done much much better performances in the past in time trials, relative to the people he left behind him. A top Cancellara would have a much bigger gap on the rest and much closer to the time of Wiggins than this year.
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Posted on 09-07-2012 21:54
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No mb2612, Nibali overrated himself massively, if he thinks he can be within 1'30 of Wiggins. That would mean top 5 time trial. He has almost never done top 5 in a time trial.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 09-07-2012 21:57
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ruben wrote:
No mb2612, Nibali overrated himself massively, if he thinks he can be within 1'30 of Wiggins. That would mean top 5 time trial. He has almost never done top 5 in a time trial.
I think my assesment is better
My point is, the gap between Wiggins and Nibali has become massive this year because Wiggins has gotten better, not that Nibali is a good time trialler.
Nibali is normally closer than this in absolute time. the feild is weak this year, meaning Nibali's position has improved, but in time from the leader, this is as far away as he has been for a several years.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 09-07-2012 22:01
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I reckon counting in time loss per km is more relevant than absolute gaps, which will of course vary according to the distance.
Nibali lost almost 3 seconds per km to Wiggins today. |
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Posted on 09-07-2012 22:04
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
No mb2612, Nibali overrated himself massively, if he thinks he can be within 1'30 of Wiggins. That would mean top 5 time trial. He has almost never done top 5 in a time trial.
I think my assesment is better
My point is, the gap between Wiggins and Nibali has become massive this year because Wiggins has gotten better, not that Nibali is a good time trialler.
Nibali is normally closer than this in absolute time. the feild is weak this year, meaning Nibali's position has improved, but in time from the leader, this is as far away as he has been for a several years.
As mb#### ( ) said, Nibali is 6-8 against Wiggins in time trials, so why wouldn't he be able to get within 1:30?
Edited by baseballlover312 on 09-07-2012 22:19
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