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Giro d'Italia 2013 - Week 3
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| Maxvir |
Posted on 22-05-2013 16:56
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alexkr00 wrote:
3 consecutive stage wins for Movistar. Quite impressive.
4, don`t forget about Dowset.
EDIT: Nvm, consecutive 
Edited by Maxvir on 22-05-2013 16:58
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| Kirchen_75 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 16:57
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They really should do something with the points system to bonus sprinters for the Red jersey. If a sprinter wins 4 stages yet can't win it then this race is harsh for sprinters. Nothing to fight for stage wins aside. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 16:58
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Maxvir wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
3 consecutive stage wins for Movistar. Quite impressive.
4, don`t forget about Dowset.
"consecutive" 
fickman wrote:
WTF happend to Pozzovivo???
huh?
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| Strydz |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:00
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Kirchen_75 wrote:
They really should do something with the points system to bonus sprinters for the Red jersey. If a sprinter wins 4 stages yet can't win it then this race is harsh for sprinters. Nothing to fight for stage wins aside.
I like the way its set up right now, in reality the points is meant to favour the most consistant finisher over the 3 weeks. I would rather 4 stage wins than a points jersey
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:01
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Strydz wrote:
Kirchen_75 wrote:
They really should do something with the points system to bonus sprinters for the Red jersey. If a sprinter wins 4 stages yet can't win it then this race is harsh for sprinters. Nothing to fight for stage wins aside.
I like the way its set up right now, in reality the points is meant to favour the most consistant finisher over the 3 weeks. I would rather 4 stage wins than a points jersey
You just want Evans to win something
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:12
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Wow, Visconti reborn. What a victory for the man! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:14
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The points jersey is not a sprinters competition anywhere but the Tour de France. It is a consistency competition for the most all-round rider.
A one-dimensional rider such as a sprinter winning it would be a travesty and precisely the opposite of what is intended.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2013 17:17
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issoisso wrote:
The points jersey is not a sprinters competition anywhere but the Tour de France. It is a consistency competition for the most all-round rider.
A one-dimensional rider such as a sprinter winning it would be a travesty and precisely the opposite of what is intended.
Exactly this. And it's like that in the Tour just because the Tour de France is usually the GT with the most pan flat stages. I don't know why people think that the sprinters should win it just because they are fast and win flat stages.
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 22-05-2013 18:14
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
The points jersey is not a sprinters competition anywhere but the Tour de France. It is a consistency competition for the most all-round rider.
A one-dimensional rider such as a sprinter winning it would be a travesty and precisely the opposite of what is intended.
Exactly this. And it's like that in the Tour just because the Tour de France is usually the GT with the most pan flat stages. I don't know why people think that the sprinters should win it just because they are fast and win flat stages.
In the TdF the point classiciation actually is a "sprint classification". That's why they give 45 points in flat stages and only 20 or 25 in mountainstages. The TdF is indeed one of the only races that do this.
And now the price goes to the climber that can sprint the fastest (Rodriguez, Evans), which isn't really allround either. A real allrounder like Sagan, Gallopin or Boasson Hagen would never win it. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 18:17
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Had Sagan ridden here, he would have won it. Definatly.
Boasson Hagen was once very close in 2009, his first GT. Cavendish (3 stage wins) was his leader aswel that Giro.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 22-05-2013 18:34
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fosforgasXIII wrote:
In the TdF the point classiciation actually is a "sprint classification". That's why they give 45 points in flat stages and only 20 or 25 in mountainstages. The TdF is indeed one of the only races that do this.
It changed quite recently because ASO wanted Cavendish to win it. Before 2011 the difference wasn't as big, although in modern cycling sprinters would win it anyway because of the amount of flat stages.
fosforgasXIII wrote:
And now the price goes to the climber that can sprint the fastest (Rodriguez, Evans), which isn't really allround either. A real allrounder like Sagan, Gallopin or Boasson Hagen would never win it.
Sagan or Hagen, in form and with a decent team around them would be unstoppable in the points classification. Gallopin is all round but not good enough. Yet.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-05-2013 21:11
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kumazan wrote:
fosforgasXIII wrote:
In the TdF the point classiciation actually is a "sprint classification". That's why they give 45 points in flat stages and only 20 or 25 in mountainstages. The TdF is indeed one of the only races that do this.
It changed quite recently because ASO wanted Cavendish to win it. Before 2011 the difference wasn't as big, although in modern cycling sprinters would win it anyway because of the amount of flat stages.
It changed recently, but it had also changed frequently in the past. It was already like that in the late 90's.
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| fickman |
Posted on 22-05-2013 21:46
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Aquarius could u make a short explanation why rest days affect so much some riders please? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 22-05-2013 21:59
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Why always me ?
First point is that it really depends on individuals, and a given individual might have different reactions to a rest day given the circumstances.
Once the first EPO tests were introduced riders switched to transfusions during races. As it's a relatively long process (I believe it's around 30 minutes for half a litre, which was the standard amount back then), it was only performed on rest day, which usually took place on Mondays. That's why you might read jokes about BBM, aka Blood Bag Mondays.
Some riders had more difficulty to assimilate the new blood, either because of their body, either because of bad blood conservation, or because of a poor protocol to inject it. Hence they were weakened instead of strengthened the next day. Jan Ullrich was one of the most blatant example.
Now, that doesn't only affect blood transferors or doped riders. When you ride an average of 5 to 6 hours a day, even though it gets tired, you get used to that level of stress and effort. A rest day is a perturbation in that routine. And starting a high level of stress and effort again the next day is another perturbation, which a human body will not always cope well with. To make it simple, the human body makes itself ready to be attacked every day, and on the rest day it switches to "rebuild" mode, which it is sometimes still on when the race starts again, so it doesn't adapt well to efforts.
That's why most riders usually ride 2 to 3 hours on rest days.
Last explanation is that it's often a day for travel and transportation, from one place to another in the country, which may cause additional fatigue, and doesn't necessarily affect all riders equally.
If people have more ideas about what causes that phenomenon, feel free to add them. |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 22:04
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The Giro organisation that is not blind but lets Santambrogio continue anyway. But they ask him not to finish on the podium.
Edited by Spilak23 on 22-05-2013 22:04
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| Metriz- |
Posted on 22-05-2013 23:37
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Spilak23 wrote:
The Giro organisation that is not blind but lets Santambrogio continue anyway. But they ask him not to finish on the podium.
Can you explain what you mean by this? |
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 22-05-2013 23:43
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Giro organisers see the facts, there is 5% chance this guy is clean. If he keeps racing like before the rest day and becomes Nibali's main competitor (maybe even an assualt on the pink later on?). The fans start to adore him, so does the (international) media. Two months later, he gets caught. -> bad publicity for the Giro.
Taking him out right now is bad publicity aswell so they let him continue but he has to trun it down a couple of notches.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 23-05-2013 00:37
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Do you have a source? Or just speculation?
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| fickman |
Posted on 23-05-2013 02:43
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Aquarius thank u very much for ur explanation. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 23-05-2013 07:32
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issoisso wrote:
The points jersey is not a sprinters competition anywhere but the Tour de France. It is a consistency competition for the most all-round rider.
A one-dimensional rider such as a sprinter winning it would be a travesty and precisely the opposite of what is intended.
And also in Tour, rather a punchy sprinter has a better chance to win it, than pure sprinter. I like that it is point jersey competition,not sprinters jersey.
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