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PCM.daily DB Stats discussion
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-07-2013 08:21
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fickman wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I would say 79Mou/79hill with high fighter stat and not so great REC.
Dont u think ur been a little bit subjective because ur Kreuziger fan. I agree with u about MO but 79 Hill might be 1 point too much, dont forget how he won Amstel Gold Race. He was allowed to goo away and favorites only start chasing ultill it was too late then at La Flèche Wallonne when people was expecting to do a similar performance he was nowhere. I think we both know he isnt the fastest guy arround attacking, if he had stayed with the favorites in Amstel Gold Race he would had achive a top 10 but wouldnt have been able to won. Thats my opinion, ofcourse u dont have to agree with me 
Of course this might be the case, i am not known as mr. objective. 
But does not he have 79 hill now in the database already, with only 76 mountain? I am not sure, i will have to look.
What i think is, that Roman is one of best 5-10 men on the hills from whole peloton, not so much in the classics, but rather stage races. Most of his best results came from hills or stage races, where he gained especially from medium mountain/hilly stages. Also he has great results from L-B-L and San Sebastian, he is just not peaking for classics like hilly specialists.
Also he can have similar hill stat to riders like aformentioned Martin or Betancur and much lower accelaration, because he is diesel climber. That is why he cant wait for Mur de Huy, he needs to attack and set the brutal tempo. Now when he would have 77 or 78 hill with bad acceleration, he would have no chance on top5 in one of the classics.
While 78 would be maybe enough, 79 with low acc seems much more realistic to me.
Also he needs better downhill, at least 74-75, he is top10 descender in cycling, as we could see in Tour, especially in hilly TT.
But it is all about discussion and what Alak thinks about it, i will be fine with whatever number he gets,as long as his mountain stat is up. 
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-07-2013 08:24
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 24-07-2013 14:03
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Kreuziger 79 Mountain and 78/79 in Hills??? |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 14:26
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I don't really think Martin was sick. Unless you consider "bad legs syndrome" an illness.
I would put him at 77-79/80 (My thought process here is if the cap is going to be moved up with Purito like was discussed)
But he shouldn't have recovery out of the 60s. Acceleration 78 or 79, which I think he already has.
Edited by baseballlover312 on 24-07-2013 14:54
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| jrkeulen |
Posted on 24-07-2013 14:49
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i think Thibaut Pinot Downhill 59 |
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| kqyt |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:04
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He ain't a so bad downhiller. He was too young for the pressure for a good tdf result |
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:08
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kqyt wrote:
He ain't a so bad downhiller. He was too young for the pressure for a good tdf result
Ah yes, let's lower his pressure management in mountain descending stat instead.
Edited by Ollfardh on 24-07-2013 15:09
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:14
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Ollfardh wrote:
kqyt wrote:
He ain't a so bad downhiller. He was too young for the pressure for a good tdf result
Ah yes, let's lower his pressure management in mountain descending stat instead.
No need to be so sarcastic
I agree his mountain stat should be lowered, but we shouldn't just base it on the Tour. We'll see how he recovered from the Tour, maybe it was a temporary thing |
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| jrkeulen |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:25
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okay
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| NTTHRASH |
Posted on 24-07-2013 15:56
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A little more elaboration on gene_i_nationalism.
gene_i_nationalism will represent the amount of extra effort that a rider will use when racing in their home country. When in their home region, the effect seems to be doubled, resulting in a, as an inference without rigorous testing, 1% bonus to all stats at a value of 3. The scale varies from 1 to 5 for effects to be reasonable, but there is no upper bound, to my knowledge. A 3 generally gives a minor bonus, a 2 almost no bonus, a 1 gives nothing. A 4, however, will give a rather large bonus, and then a 5 for a huge bonus, roughly 3%.
Just a rough description. This does affect whether or not WC invites are accepted, but that is a minor function.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 24-07-2013 16:02
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CountArach wrote:
Looking at someone more obscure, I haven't got a chance to check the DB but I'm willing to bet that Olivier Chevalier of Wallonie Credit is slightly wrong. I'm watching Tour of Wallonie now and he went over the hills in the front group of about 25. He also won the hilly 1.2 Ronde van Limburg earlier this year and numerous low level results on hilly courses. 72 or so for hill stat seems about right with a potential 4 or 5 given he is only 23.
Bumped. Only rider to stay with Marcato and Oss over the hill today.
Obviously peaking for this race, but nevertheless.
9th in the sprint yesterday as well.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 25-07-2013 04:03
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I dont really know if its possible, but I think the Great Britain scouted riders thingy should be changed.
It would seem logical for Britain to produce TimeTrialers and sprinters, but as of late, they've only been coming up with world class climbers and puncheurs (and maybe a few average sprinters...), so maybe it should be changed so they produce more climbers and better climbers as well.....
I thought this was the best thread for this, since its not a bug.
Edited by valverde321 on 25-07-2013 04:03
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 25-07-2013 12:11
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valverde321 wrote:
I dont really know if its possible, but I think the Great Britain scouted riders thingy should be changed.
It would seem logical for Britain to produce TimeTrialers and sprinters, but as of late, they've only been coming up with world class climbers and puncheurs (and maybe a few average sprinters...), so maybe it should be changed so they produce more climbers and better climbers as well.....
I thought this was the best thread for this, since its not a bug.
i always saw it as a mainly this, but can produce all
like for example, Spain normally produces stage racers and puncheur riders (is LLS an example of this?)
but then, on some times, some people can slip through the cracks and come through as something else (sprinters like Rojas/Lobato, cobble riders like Flecha)
so, there's the ones listed (like TT & Sprinters for GB) - Cav, Millar, Wiggins pre2009, Dowsett etc but they can also produce puncheurs (JTL), StageRacers (technically Froome) and cobblers (Thomas)
edit: i don't know if this is the case, but that's how i've always seen it
Edited by samdiatmh on 25-07-2013 12:12
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| ruben |
Posted on 25-07-2013 22:42
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Dan Martin was definately sick. He went from top 10/top 15 climbing in TDF to barely keeping up in the autobus and was on antibiotics the last few days (like Mollema)
I swear people are so badly informed nowadays,which is a miracle in a time where you get so much information... |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 26-07-2013 00:43
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Well riders usually use sickness as an excuse. f.e. Evans.
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| seichan |
Posted on 26-07-2013 04:13
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I'd like to add the following players.
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Takuto Kurabayashi
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Edited by seichan on 26-07-2013 04:15
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| seichan |
Posted on 26-07-2013 06:06
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Edited by seichan on 26-07-2013 06:08
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| TTtheGladiator |
Posted on 26-07-2013 07:27
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Dale Parker should probably be removed from all PCM Daily DB's from now on; he hasn't raced for quite some time.
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| Aleakez |
Posted on 27-07-2013 03:55
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1.Froome 82MO/77HIL
2.Nibali 81MO/79HIL
3.Quintana 81MO/78HIL
4.Rodriguez 80MO/81HIL
5.Contador 80MO/78HIL
6.Valverde 79MO/80HIL
7.Uran 79MO/77HIL
8.Kreuziger 79MO/79HIL
9.Mollema 78MO/78HIL
10.vd.Broeck 78MO/76HIL
Should be accurate 
Hesjedal should not be higher then 77
Edited by Aleakez on 27-07-2013 03:59
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| lollo859 |
Posted on 27-07-2013 08:11
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real name will be released for patch 1.3.0.0? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 27-07-2013 08:18
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lollo859 wrote:
real name will be released for patch 1.3.0.0?
No, a big PCMdaily DB will be released for 1.3.0.0...
@Aleakez Valv can go to 80, Conta maybe 79.
I agree with all the hill stats, those seem good.
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