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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2013 07:23
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Fact that Giro 2014 will start in Belfast is known, but i still wonder who had that stupiud idea. Even more funny in terms of this article, where race director Vegni says, there will be no Sicily next year, because they dont want to bother the riders with another large transfers by ship. So starting in Nortern Ireland, flying 3 hours by plane and continue with stage next day is much better right? 
One would say honoring the island of recent race winner would be better.
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| Lachi |
Posted on 28-05-2013 12:22
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Money talks, everything else is just gabble.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2013 12:24
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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Fact that Giro 2014 will start in Belfast is known, but i still wonder who had that stupiud idea. Even more funny in terms of this article, where race director Vegni says, there will be no Sicily next year, because they dont want to bother the riders with another large transfers by ship. So starting in Nortern Ireland, flying 3 hours by plane and continue with stage next day is much better right?
One would say honoring the island of recent race winner would be better.
Im quite happy to see it in Belfast, because theres a chance I might go to see it 
But I do wonder about the logistics of then having Stage 4 in the South of Italy. Sure, the riders and staff can easily take a plane there - but what about team cars and other vehicles? I guess teams may not take their team buses over to Ireland in the first place, but team cars will definately be needed.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 28-05-2013 13:46
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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Fact that Giro 2014 will start in Belfast is known, but i still wonder who had that stupiud idea. Even more funny in terms of this article, where race director Vegni says, there will be no Sicily next year, because they dont want to bother the riders with another large transfers by ship. So starting in Nortern Ireland, flying 3 hours by plane and continue with stage next day is much better right?
One would say honoring the island of recent race winner would be better.
Im quite happy to see it in Belfast, because theres a chance I might go to see it
But I do wonder about the logistics of then having Stage 4 in the South of Italy. Sure, the riders and staff can easily take a plane there - but what about team cars and other vehicles? I guess teams may not take their team buses over to Ireland in the first place, but team cars will definately be needed.
I would not be surprised if most teams either have extra cars available through a sponsorship agreement or, and I'd hate to be this person, a soigneur gets stuck with the job of driving across Europe.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 29-05-2013 13:19
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Zdenek Stybar is still not back in training after surgery of his knee and he says it is big question how he will be able to ride again, it can take months.
He wanted to fight for the Tour place this year, but now it is impossible. Maybe he can be back in top form for Vuelta, at least he will not have Cav to pull there. 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 29-05-2013 13:20
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Also czech cyclocross rider Petr Dlask (2nd at WC in 2001) was caught with positive doping test on...wait for it...clenbuterol. 
He says it has to come from medicaments he took to aid cold.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 29-05-2013 13:29
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Zdenek Stybar is still not back in training after surgery of his knee and he says it is big question how he will be able to ride again, it can take months.
He wanted to fight for the Tour place this year, but now it is impossible. Maybe he can be back in top form for Vuelta, at least he will not have Cav to pull there.
I think Cav will ride the Vuelta aswell. He will probably try to get stage wins in all three GT's during the same year. He has nothing else to target during the fall this year.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 29-05-2013 13:31
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Spilak23 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Zdenek Stybar is still not back in training after surgery of his knee and he says it is big question how he will be able to ride again, it can take months.
He wanted to fight for the Tour place this year, but now it is impossible. Maybe he can be back in top form for Vuelta, at least he will not have Cav to pull there.
I think Cav will ride the Vuelta aswell. He will probably try to get stage wins in all three GT's during the same year. He has nothing else to target during the fall this year.
That would be quite a packed calendar! But he can pull out of Vuelta after some days, so yeah, why not.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 29-05-2013 13:55
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Also czech cyclocross rider Petr Dlask (2nd at WC in 2001) was caught with positive doping test on...wait for it...clenbuterol.
He says it has to come from medicaments he took to aid cold.
Yes. Because making cows more tender is an important aspect of cold medication.
At least Contador's excuse was mildly plausible.
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 29-05-2013 14:41
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CountArach wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Also czech cyclocross rider Petr Dlask (2nd at WC in 2001) was caught with positive doping test on...wait for it...clenbuterol.
He says it has to come from medicaments he took to aid cold.
Yes. Because making cows more tender is an important aspect of cold medication.
At least Contador's excuse was mildly plausible.
i like how he's well known for a silver in an event 12 years ago
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-05-2013 07:07
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Maybe he was on dinner with Conta recently? 
Being 2nd on WChamps cyclocross is big feat for a cyclocross rider samdiatmh. And i especially mentioned it, since i witnessed it on my own eyes in 2001, in Tabor, Czech Republic. 
But yeah, he was not at that level since then.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 30-05-2013 08:54
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News for the Dutch Valley Classic! They want some changes: less kilometers (maybe only 130), less rider (6 per team) aaaaaaand (drum roll.....)
Marianne Vos may start as the only women with all the men 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 30-05-2013 08:56
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Ian Butler wrote:
News for the Dutch Valley Classic! They want some changes: less kilometers (maybe only 130), less rider (6 per team) aaaaaaand (drum roll.....)
Marianne Vos may start as the only women with all the men
If UCI allows it.
I love the sound of all of that. All sprint classics should be shortened anyway. 6 man teams opens them up and makes them more unpredictable. And when Vos wins womens cycling might get the recognition it deserves
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| CountArach |
Posted on 30-05-2013 09:29
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Good job from the race organisers. It reminds me of that Italian lady who rode the Giro in the 50s I think.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 30-05-2013 11:34
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
News for the Dutch Valley Classic! They want some changes: less kilometers (maybe only 130), less rider (6 per team) aaaaaaand (drum roll.....)
Marianne Vos may start as the only women with all the men
If UCI allows it.
I love the sound of all of that. All sprint classics should be shortened anyway. 6 man teams opens them up and makes them more unpredictable. And when Vos wins womens cycling might get the recognition it deserves
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 30-05-2013 11:37
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Aquarius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
All sprint classics should be shortened anyway
Why ?
Cycling's an endurance sport, anyway.
I think that it will encourage more attackers, encourage the sprint teams to work harder, and just get to the mostly inevitable finish faster.
If cycling is an endurance sport:
1) Why have track?
2) why have tt's under 50k?
3) why not make every stage 250k?
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 30-05-2013 12:30
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
All sprint classics should be shortened anyway
Why ?
Cycling's an endurance sport, anyway.
I think that it will encourage more attackers, encourage the sprint teams to work harder, and just get to the mostly inevitable finish faster.
Why would it encourage more attackers ? Don't you see early attackers in Monuments (which are also the longest one day races of the year) ?
Sprint teams will work harder ? What, they don't work hard enough now ?
You don't have to watch everything if you only enjoy the sprints and their direct preparation.
To make a metaphor with running, would you also ask runners or race organizers to not run or organize marathons but only 5 or 10 km races max, because it'll more or less produce the same winners but will be run faster ?
TheManxMissile wrote:
If cycling is an endurance sport:
1) Why have track?
Not relevant. I, of course, meant 'cycling' as 'road cycling'. Track favours riders with different qualities than road riders.
TheManxMissile wrote:
2) why have tt's under 50k?
A bit the same argument as track.
50 k equals more or less one hour. ITT are threshold efforts, by essence, and threshold efforts can be sustained maximum one hour.
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3) why not make every stage 250k?
I thought we were talking about classics ?
Obviously health and recuperation are concerns if you mean stages.
As you've been a racer yourself, if you've been through a couple of different age categories, you must have noticed that races last 30 km or so in U15, 50 to 80 in U17, 80 to 140 in juniors, etc.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 30-05-2013 12:45
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(can;t be asked to fiddle with the quote boxes...)
I mean it might encourage more late attackers. Less distance should mean less energy expended, so they will feel better and might try some bigger late moves. Of course there will be break attempts, but in a sprint classic these are 98% doomed, so shortening them up gets us their quicker. As the sprinters teams want the mass sprint, the more attackers will force them into action. All i'm saying is that it might open the race up to more potential winners, or a closer sprint.
I'm not saying only have short races either. I love the long races provided the route is correct. The Dutch classic is a boring ass route, whereas something with a few hills or cobbles etc. would be more interesting to watch. To compare that running analogy 5 or 10k's would be Crits or finishing race stages (like on the Champs)... hardly what i was asking for. (assuming marathons are 150+k races)
Road Cycling,which includes Crit's, circuit races, prologues, tt's... yes endurance everywhere there.
I assume i'll get the reply that Crit's and circuit races are "threshold events" the suit a diferent type of rider, but that is road cycling, which does suit a wide variety of different riders. The sprint classics are suited to sprinters but why not give other riders a chance. It's why not every mountains stage is a summit finish.
I will also ask why have short TT's i.e. 1 to 10k's? or are yu going to use the different aspect defense?
Stage, race, same difference, you know what i meant. Why not make every classic 250km? If cycling is an endurance sport surely this is the only solution?
Endurance is not the be all and end all of cycling. I would much rather see shorter races with more action than long races where nothing happens until the final 100m sprint. I have nothing against long races, as long as the profile will allow for some excitement, which the Dutch classic does not... You did seem to jump to thinking that i want every stage short, i do not. Just that the sprint classics have nothing to lose by shortening up, and a whole lot of potential gain.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 30-05-2013 12:59
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I think making every classic 250kms would be great.
I agree with Aquarius, cycling is endurance sport and it should be like that, what is dull are 130km stages in GTs for example, nothing happens there, because everybody is too fresh (strange paradox i know).
Every kilometre is sorting the strong from the weak, i would not be interested in short sprint stages, that would be boring. Long sprinter stages are better, because some riders are empty in the end...
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 30-05-2013 13:05
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The Giro sprint stages won by Cavendish this year are perfect examples of how to make flat sprinter stages exciting. (I'm not counting the 1st and last ofcourse) They were mostly flat but inside the last 20-30 kilometres, there were one or two small hills were attackers went for it. But the sprinters teams were just strong enough to reel them back in.
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