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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-06-2012 10:59
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Shame for the sport. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 12:25
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Ian Butler wrote:
Shame for the sport.
Totally agree, once again cycling in the headlines for the wrong reasons  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 14-06-2012 12:28
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sutty68 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Shame for the sport.
Totally agree, once again cycling in the headlines for the wrong reasons If you consider cycling as UCI's sport, it's just getting what it deserves, or shall I say not even half of what it deserves.
If you consider the sport as a whole, I agree though. |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 12:35
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It would also help Lance that he was significantly lighter after cancer.
RIP Exxon Duke, David Veilleux, Double Feature, and Monster Energy |
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 12:37
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Aquarius wrote:
chris01 wrote:
I'm just wondering, does anybody hear believe in god?
There's only one God : The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Period.
I guess you've never had too many philosophy courses (neither did I), but when you're interested by thing such as truth, science, etc. you realise that an opinion is not a fact, and vice-versa.
You're free to believe whatever you want, such as the Earth is flat, Intelligent Design, man never walked on the moon, etc. but that doesn't make it true, or right. Actually, beliefs are of no interest when it comes to facts.
If there's EPO in someone's urine, it's not a matter of opinon : THERE IS EPO in it. Question is 'how did it get there ?' not 'do I have to believe it's there ? I'm free to believe whatever I want'.
Are you freaking putting down my religion now too?
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 14-06-2012 12:47
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lluuiiggii wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
As we are talking about watts do anybody know how much watt the best in the gc did in this years Giro? (Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi)
No idea how 'trustable' it is, and it's Finnish, but I found this on google:
https://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/sh...ost1837977
Thanks for the link luigi!  Even though i don't understand Finnish i understand the numbers. |
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| ShortsNL |
Posted on 14-06-2012 13:02
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Are you freaking putting down my religion now too?
I think what he's trying to say is this: religion is different from fact in the sense that it's subjective: it all comes down to belief, what someone believes to be the case. Everyone is free to believe in whatever they want, and as such different religions exist in the world.
Facts are different in the sense that they can be verified. In the case of Lance Armstrong, the facts speak for themselves, and as such there is no point in believing anything else.
Religion isn't based upon fact but upon belief. Therefore you can't compare religion to the Lance Armstrong case.
You are free to believe whatever you want, as there is no verifiable right or wrong in religion. However, people can be right or wrong about Lance, since in his case there are dozens of facts that can't be denied.
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 13:08
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
chris01 wrote:
I'm just wondering, does anybody hear believe in god?
There's only one God : The Flying Spaghetti Monster. Period.
I guess you've never had too many philosophy courses (neither did I), but when you're interested by thing such as truth, science, etc. you realise that an opinion is not a fact, and vice-versa.
You're free to believe whatever you want, such as the Earth is flat, Intelligent Design, man never walked on the moon, etc. but that doesn't make it true, or right. Actually, beliefs are of no interest when it comes to facts.
If there's EPO in someone's urine, it's not a matter of opinon : THERE IS EPO in it. Question is 'how did it get there ?' not 'do I have to believe it's there ? I'm free to believe whatever I want'.
Are you freaking putting down my religion now too?
Please . I am agnostic myself but one of my best friends is roman catholic (and very zealous) but we all agreed during our philosophy and religion courses that these conversations can take hours. So please dont take it personally.
badly written. Sorry - I just meant that anybody can believe in anything...
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:31
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Looks like if Armstrong's charges are upheld, Bruyneel's gone, possibly forever.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/bruyn...are-upheld
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:37
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Montolivo wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
As we are talking about watts do anybody know how much watt the best in the gc did in this years Giro? (Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi)
No idea how 'trustable' it is, and it's Finnish, but I found this on google:
https://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/sh...ost1837977
Thanks for the link luigi! Even though i don't understand Finnish i understand the numbers.
Likewise thanks very much, interesting read. You get the gist but Google Translate does a pretty good job on the finnish too. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:49
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If this happens, i would be like:
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:54
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ianrussell wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
lluuiiggii wrote:
Montolivo wrote:
As we are talking about watts do anybody know how much watt the best in the gc did in this years Giro? (Hesjedal, Rodriguez, Scarponi)
No idea how 'trustable' it is, and it's Finnish, but I found this on google:
https://www.fillarifoorumi.fi/forum/sh...ost1837977
Thanks for the link luigi! Even though i don't understand Finnish i understand the numbers.
Likewise thanks very much, interesting read. You get the gist but Google Translate does a pretty good job on the finnish too.
Yeah. Based on the numbers it seems Hesjedal on average of all the climbs in the Giro had 405-410 watts. |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:57
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That's huge.
I hope this turns out okay. |
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| jack888 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 14:57
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Are you freaking putting down my religion now too?
Way to miss the point.... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:05
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
If this happens, i would be like:
I guess that you wouldn't be like that if, by any chance, Contador got involved in this via his coach Pepe MartÃ? 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:11
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kumazan wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
If this happens, i would be like:
I guess that you wouldn't be like that if, by any chance, Contador got involved in this via his coach Pepe MartÃ?
I am getting used to world without Contador, but i am sure i will be happy to see him race again, so yes, it could easily turn into :
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| chris01 |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:14
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sutty68 wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
Shame for the sport.
Totally agree, once again cycling in the headlines for the wrong reasons
yeah this is the first time something about cycling has been on ESPN since the end of the TDF. Really doesn't help to make the sport popular here.
Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to cycle and he will realize fishing is stupid and boring.
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:14
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Since we are on about Armstrong's doping charges here and the the fact there is scientific and hard evidence. What do the Sky haters, who say they are doped, have in terms of hard evidence and scientific evidence on their riders? |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:17
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issoisso wrote:
chris01 wrote:
well since everybody else doped who the fuck cares if Lance doped? It isn't like he had an unfair advantage.
Oh but he did. Different drugs have massively different effects on different riders.
Edwig Van Hooydonck won the Ronde van Vlaanderen twice by age 25. Then EPO came and he couldn't win anything.
Bjarne Riis was an average domestique. Then EPO came and he was 5th in the Tour instantly and won the KOM jersey too.
That is one of the main reasons doping has to stop.
As I mentioned a page or so back the different effects of PED's on different riders interests me.
Without thinking about it too much I had, until relatively recently, rather naively, assumed that everyone using meant a fairly level playing field. Applying a bit of common sense since tells me any drug, recreational, medicinal or performance enhancing, will affect people differently.
Short of what you mentioned above not sure on what info there is out there on this subject (doubt there are numbers but more detailed, first hand qualitative accounts???) but if anyone knows a good source or 2 please point me the right direction here or via PM as I'd be interested to read more, thanks.
*Edit* also scroll down here for an interesting graphic on who may a long long way down the line inherit the 7 wins (or not please spare us the nonsense whatever the outcome!) https://www.cyclin...at-a-mess/
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 14-06-2012 15:47
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I read a few pages of this thread this morning, and I didn't really know whether to laugh or to cry about people like jseadog1 and that other American dude.
I don't mind that people believe in Armstrong's innocence, but please do come up with better counter-arguments than something about fictional characters in the sky.
What you can say is that there's no new evidence in the indictment from USADA, so basically the case is the same as always, not much new to discuss ... yet. |
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