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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 27-10-2022 23:09
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Very satisfying TTT. Built the team to hold its own and we did that very nicely.
Hopefully either Mader or Masnada will sacrifice themselves for Stussi. Stage 4 is pretty hard so that should happen, I think, but would be painful to lose to all 3 of them.
Ideally Mader will engage in some unnecessarily suicidal pacemaking and torch himself in the U25, which will give Fab an aneurysm but give our boys a shot 
Never thought we were going to beat Jura, the better news is how much time was put into some of the other climbers, which means Warbasse should be safe from below if he can at least match Talansky (which of course he failed miserably to do in Venezuela).
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| MacC |
Posted on 28-10-2022 14:33
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I was worried when Talanksy wasn't in the favorites and guess I was right...
Hopefully, just a bad day and we can gain back a couple of spots. Also, hope now the likes of Brandt can try to join a break
30 seconds ahead of Stussi but only 8th! Keep rockin' PCM!
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 28-10-2022 15:29
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How on earth is such a result even remotely possible 
I mean, if we have three riders in the stage favorites, and one just barely gets a Top10, something is horribly wrong with that AI. Not to mention that Aregger (64 Mo) finished ahead of Mäder (77 Mo) - sorry, but that's just absolutely ridiculous.
Sorry for the rant, but this artificial "intelligence" just drives me crazy. Except for everyone (bar Masnada) having a -5 day, there's no explanation for such a scenario - and not even then tbh. No way a 76 climber with 69 Res should win such a mountain stage in this field... And at the same time, Masnada is struggling to even keep up. Nope, that's not the kind of publicity you need to promote your game engine...
"At least" we still have the GC lead, but no way we'll keep it. There are stronger climbers than Masnada. I guess on stage 6 the team will work for Mäder, so both Stüssi and Masnada get dropped and we don't even get a Top20 GC. Plain stupidity...
Congrats to Binance nonetheless, seems like Antunes just got the perfect timing for his attack.
And thanks for the report, Nemo, not your fault if the game is dumb.
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| baseballlover312 |
Posted on 28-10-2022 18:32
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Wow, terrible for Jura. Crazy to see much stronger riders completely crack, but I guess PCM 20 daily form can make anything possible.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 28-10-2022 18:35
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Disappointing by Hoem. Blikra gave it his all, but won't get many points from this race unfortunately.
Great racing though, thank you very much for the report Nemo! |
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 28-10-2022 20:08
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Vasyliv did well to gain back so much time and spaces on GC. Hopefully he can continue over the next 2 days to move forward and get into that top 10. Very weird day overall for all riders. Not sure what happened to Jura and other strong climbers. PCM is very strange sometimes 
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| Ulrich Ulriksen |
Posted on 29-10-2022 00:31
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OK, regretting my aneurysm crack.
For us not a bad outcome, still no stage results but Warbasse ends the day 3rd in GC with some cushion on those behind and only 5 seconds from 2nd against a rider he really ought to beat.
I am much less sure than Fab that Masnada will crack - tomorrow he should be fine so it comes down to the last stage.
I think the AI got Stussi and Masnada the wrong way round and daily form is OP, particularly given our DB depth, but not sure the race AI was crazy.
McCormick and Jura had the top 6 on GC, so why would anyone else help. So we do all the work until Alarcon attacks (and there was a lot of climbing and a big break). Sending Stussi up the road to force other teams to the front made sense. It should have been Masnada and he was on a bad day but it wasn't a terrible move.
And in a way it worked - Hello Fresh closed down Alarcon for us for which they get the huge reward of a 5th on the stage and a 7th on GC and JURA and McCormick sit 1 and 3 in the GC and the rider closest to them, is Antunes, which is much better than Alarcon.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 29-10-2022 01:04
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Crazy stage, three very strong riders for a CT field in the break was surprising to say the least. Absolutely awesome performance from old man Novak to hang on to the favourites after being caught (and taking the HC) and manage to finish on the podium! Exactly the kind of result we’re targeting in mountain races this season, just stacking the break with climbers and have managed a good result from it in Portugal and now here. Shit to see Kolar so passive, he should be fighting for a top 5-10 in GC but was invisible. Hope that kicks him into gear and into a break in the next few days then
Thanks for the report Nemo!
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| liefwarrior |
Posted on 29-10-2022 01:32
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Great reporting Nemo, seems that PCM20 really doesn't work well with the CT stage race field this year. Schlegel went missing in Tachira and now it looks like it is Jura's turn to suffer. It's nearly impossible to know if it is the AI or daily form causing these results -- a [-5] compared to a [+5] is massive, it could make an 80 stat rider the equivalent of a 70 stat (or even worse given its outsized impact on physicals). Even if the AI isn't necessarily better I'd still be a big fan of moving to PCM22 just so we can eliminate or heavily reduce daily form. The AI ought to still be "interesting" (read: bad) enough to produce "exciting" (read: semi-random) results. I wonder if that might solve some of the issues with sprints as well, although obviously not the 4th-best bug.
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| GregPeck |
Posted on 29-10-2022 13:00
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What a ride by Kanepejs!
And what a great finish by Pedrero.
Excellent way to take our first ever win. |
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 29-10-2022 13:23
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Congrats Greg, awesome way to get your teams first victory! Hopefully one of many to come
Surprising that we went with Yudha instead of Setiawa in the break, as Yudha’s not really good. He surprised me with how well he held on at the front with Le Court, I nearly thought the two of them could stay away. Hurts for PA though, Le Court was obviously stronger so it would have been their history if it weren’t for the couple of riders storming home at the finish.
Novak and Kollar safe as well is lovely. Thank you for the wonderful report!
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 29-10-2022 14:27
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Terrific race from Le Court, that training spend really paying off. Almost stole the stage, along with the KoM jersey. And Croes going at it as well to give us the best chances possible of bringing something away from the race.
I don't mind missing out on the win, even though it was agonisingly close, as again i'm more about the aggressive and interesting riding than in the quality of the result. Better to try and miss out, than not try at all - and after our last couple of seasons of not trying this is so much fun!
Only other comment on that reporting (apart from it being highly entertaining), either adding first names or teams to the breakaway list would be useful - as some riders on different teams (or the same) share surnames that clarity would be great.
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| Fabianski |
Posted on 29-10-2022 16:45
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OK, the stage definitely was too hard for Aregger. He kept up in the pack - which is nice - but the downhill wasn't long enough to fully recover.
Masnada did very well again, although given some guys ahead of him he could have done even better - but all that mattered was not wasting any energy and keeping yellow today.
I agree with UU that it's far from sure that he should crack tomorrow - there's pretty much no other climber matching his energy stats, but they unfortunately don't really matter with the daily form system (as others can easily get a two-digit bonus with +4/5 daily form). At least all three climbers finished inside the pack, giving all of them a chance to get a noteable GC result - first of all Masnada, of course. I couldn't complain if he got beaten by Warbasse or Schlegel though, but I definitely still don't like to see them beating Stüssi ^^
Thanks for the report, Nemo, and while I agree with TMM that it would be nice to have the minijerseys for the escapees, I also know how much work it is to put all of them in...
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 29-10-2022 18:22
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Hahaha, loved to see a combined 10(!) Tafjord and Volcanica-riders in the same break
Ludvigsson climbing in the rankings now, maybe we could get some points out of this afterall.
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| wildwind |
Posted on 29-10-2022 18:59
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Glad to see Luchshenko on podium with Zordan in Top 5 |
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| ivaneurope |
Posted on 29-10-2022 20:19
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Let's hope my team doesn't fizzle out. But since this is race reported by Nemolito, I don't have very high hopes anyways 
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| KaiserAdler |
Posted on 30-10-2022 11:10
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Great last few stages by Gilanipoor. Turning our bad TTT performance into atleast some points for the team. With twice coming in at 11th and getting a podium on the last day which made him jump up to 11th in GC I can’t complain. He certainly exceeded expectations where I had thought we would score nothing.
Congrats to the winners and thank you Nemo for the report. See y’all in Mexico in a few days 
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| Jakstar22 |
Posted on 30-10-2022 12:22
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Vasyliv with a shocking final stage  but Schultz saves our race! Great win from Schultz and excellent ride! Got up to 13th on GC and only just missed out on the KOM.
Great win but not the best overall for us. Fingers crossed we can step it up in the next few races!
Congrats to Jura for living up tk the favourite hype. Moving on to the next race
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 30-10-2022 13:00
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Congrats Fab, probably didn’t happen the way you would have liked but a good performance by Masnada nonetheless
No idea what the fuck my team was doing, Novak and Kolar decently placed in the GC and along with Gall, Arifin and Setiawa collectively one of the best all round climbing teams in the race, just decided to not give a shit. Frustrating.
Thanks for the reports Nemo!
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| whitejersey |
Posted on 30-10-2022 14:29
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With our TTT core not being very strong a 7th place is about as good as we could expect from Potocki. The stage 2nd from Thwaites also gives us a bit of extra points here. Congrats to Fabi on the win and thanks for the reports Nemo!
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