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[PCT/CT] Race Planners 2015
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-05-2015 07:24
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I agree that a week should be fine really, but I don't really understand the "big leader - I can't plan" thing. Whenever I target a top rider I immidiately begin to consider what I can do with him. Should he be a leader, a domestique, should he be trained and so on.
When I made the deal about Coppel I made an excel sheet and started planning which races he HAD to race, which was probably good for him and which he should stay away from. That meant that once I had the real planner I had sorted out basically everything.
I normally do that with Free Agents aswell, whenever it feels like I have a real shot at getting the rider.
I do understand that people have a hard time finding space in their private calendar, however. And clearly this planning period should not be rushed - But please get going, my Preview is just sitting there, waiting 
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2015 07:51
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I am a bit amazed that anyone could wait for the race planner file to be received before even thinking about where to send each rider.
Particularly in PCT, the races for Eritel's leaders have been set in stone since when I made my C1 race choices. And all teams had to do that over a week ago now.
If you've pushed all race planning decisions to be within this end of off-season time then that is not because the game isn't giving you enough time, it's down to you.
And while there is of course real life considerations for managers, much more important for the game is mine - and theres a number of reasons why the season therefore needs to be started asap.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 28-05-2015 08:02
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:13
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It is great to see so much understanding. 
Of course i pushed it to the end of transfer season, how i was supposed to do it earlier without knowing who will be my best six riders? Only one of the best six stayed and it was not clear before half of transfers who will replace them. So what purpose would it serve to plan the season for Hoffman or Popovych. I was not sue they will go, i was not sure if the will be replaced, in game of almost 90 different managers on the market.
Or i should find another couple of hours every day next to couple already devoted to transfers itself and my HQ for two weeks? That is maybe possible for a student, but not all of us are kids or students.
I will most likely make some random picks for race days now, without thinking about it, to be finally done at least tommorow.
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| Bjartne |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:16
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I have never understood why managers need several days to finalize the race planning, when if you have one spare evening, it's piece of cake really.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:18
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I wonder how long people take to do this thing, actually.
I was like finished in half an hour, tops. Just open the race profiles of the subscribed races (and lovely - those races are in the order they can be found in the Race Profiles subforum), and then start appointing leaders first and filling up with the proper domestiques etc.
Doesn't take that long  unless I'll now finish dead last in the CT division, then maybe I should revise for next season  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:38
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Bjartne wrote:
when if you have one spare evening, it's piece of cake really.
I agree, problem is that i did not have any for like two weeks now. 
Half an hour Ian? That is even not enough to open all the race profiles.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 28-05-2015 08:39
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:39
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@Avin Or you could show some understanding to me, wanting to get all of this organisation part of the game out of the way and done with? June/July are very busy for me, so if the season is to get started soon, it needs managers to get their act together.
It's very much in my interests to encourage people to get planning done fast, so that's what I'm going to do!
With that said, i hope to be done Friday at latest, maybe even today.
I will most likely make some random picks for race days now, without thinking about it, to be finally done at least tommorow.
Wait, what? From maybe done today, to only done tomorrow if using random picks?
Clearly the weekend is going to have to be fine, but hopefully by then teams will stop dragging their heels and get it done. Planning for my teams did not take more than a couple of hours each. One I did in pretty much one sitting, the other I stretched out over the last week.
Pluchkin was sealed over 2 weeks ago, and it's not as if there is an endless amount of races which suit him - so there was nothing stopping you deciding his races earlier. If you have time to write a fairly detailed HQ post, then you have time to race plan - and the latter should have greater priority.
Race planning really isn't some great big mystery that some make out. A lot of it is pretty straight forward and obvious.
Edited by SportingNonsense on 28-05-2015 08:40
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:45
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
It is great to see so much understanding.
Of course i pushed it to the end of transfer season, how i was supposed to do it earlier without knowing who will be my best six riders? Only one of the best six stayed and it was not clear before half of transfers who will replace them. So what purpose would it serve to plan the season for Hoffman or Popovych. I was not sue they will go, i was not sure if the will be replaced, in game of almost 90 different managers on the market.
Or i should find another couple of hours every day next to couple already devoted to transfers itself and my HQ for two weeks? That is maybe possible for a student, but not all of us are kids or students.
I will most likely make some random picks for race days now, without thinking about it, to be finally done at least tommorow.
Of course things shouldn't be done randomly but your teams leaders are (as far as I know):
Ignatiev - Whom you knew you had
Grosu - Whom you knew you had
Zmorka - Whom you knew you had
Pluchkin - Whom was signed 12/05 (16 days ago)
Guardini - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
Nolf - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
Sibilla - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
And to be honest Nolf and Sibilla are no-brainers for most part of their season. Atleast the cobbled races should be races and whatever they race they are surely domestiques.
So I really don't understand how it can come as a surprise where those should ride. There are a certain amount of TTTs to ride, and your TTT riders are pretty easy to spot aswell, so if you want to target those there is also quite a few racedays easy to pick there.
I understand that people are low on time, but I don't understand that you can't start planning when you know that you have a star rider. Whether you have Popovych or not doesn't really change the plans of those mentioned riders does it?
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:47
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Forget it, you are right.
In the end it will make me look like i dont appreciate what you are doing for the game, so i will rather shut up and send the planner as soon as i can. I just cant shred the feeling like i am in basic school again and someone is pushing me to have something done in time, while i am in this game for fun and that is the priority for me. I left basic school more than 20 years ago, so i dont wanna return really...
Btw. i cant know how busy you are in certain months, can i?
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| SotD |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:52
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Forget it, you are right.
In the end it will make me look like i dont appreciate what you are doing for the game, so i will rather shut up and send the planner as soon as i can. I just cant shred the feeling like i am in basic school again and someone is pushing me to have something done in time, while i am in this game for fun and that is the priority for me. I left basic school more than 20 years ago, so i dont wanna return really...
Btw. i cant know how busy you are in certain months, can i?
You make it sound like we are all school kids, and while I am in school right now I also left basic school more than a decade ago. But there are things like deadlines and planning in the private work sector aswell in which I have been assigned for 7 years before deciding to take extra studies to reach a dream job.
I have no idea where people are in their lives, but you make it sound as if you are in another and more relevant place of live than the rest of us.
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-05-2015 08:56
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To be honest, I have to agree with SN here. You got the planners in a long weekend (or at least I think a lot of christian countries got monday off). The planner is very easy to do, as it checks everything for you. I can imagine some people were ready on sunday or monday already. I had a busy weekend, but I made some time for it on tuesday, it really didn't take that long.
Deadlines are there so the game can continue. You can't make other people wait just because you want to do other things then making the planner. Most of the time, games like these are relaxed and fun, but a few times a year, you're going to have to do something within a deadline. So do it.
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 28-05-2015 09:00
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SotD wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
It is great to see so much understanding.
Of course i pushed it to the end of transfer season, how i was supposed to do it earlier without knowing who will be my best six riders? Only one of the best six stayed and it was not clear before half of transfers who will replace them. So what purpose would it serve to plan the season for Hoffman or Popovych. I was not sue they will go, i was not sure if the will be replaced, in game of almost 90 different managers on the market.
Or i should find another couple of hours every day next to couple already devoted to transfers itself and my HQ for two weeks? That is maybe possible for a student, but not all of us are kids or students.
I will most likely make some random picks for race days now, without thinking about it, to be finally done at least tommorow.
Of course things shouldn't be done randomly but your teams leaders are (as far as I know):
Ignatiev - Whom you knew you had
Grosu - Whom you knew you had
Zmorka - Whom you knew you had
Pluchkin - Whom was signed 12/05 (16 days ago)
Guardini - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
Nolf - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
Sibilla - Whom was signed 13/05 (15 days ago)
And to be honest Nolf and Sibilla are no-brainers for most part of their season. Atleast the cobbled races should be races and whatever they race they are surely domestiques.
So I really don't understand how it can come as a surprise where those should ride. There are a certain amount of TTTs to ride, and your TTT riders are pretty easy to spot aswell, so if you want to target those there is also quite a few racedays easy to pick there.
I understand that people are low on time, but I don't understand that you can't start planning when you know that you have a star rider. Whether you have Popovych or not doesn't really change the plans of those mentioned riders does it?
During transfers, i struggled to find time even for transfers itself, when i am the manager that tends to chat a lot and negotiate via PMs. So reset your counting to last Thursday, as i thought exactly 0 minutes where every freshly bought riders (and three loanees with clauses) will ride.
Maybe it will shock you, but i need at least 4-5 hours intact to plan the season in a way to be happy with it. For me, the planning could be the question of staying/not staying in PT and i dont really want to plan a third of races and then get back to it and then again to finalise it.
Also,i cant do this at work, where i spent 90% of my daily time in recent weeks, working on extra shifts.
I am really embarrased by fact that all of this need to be said here. I thought we are adults with respect to others and understanding for fact that planning is easy for somebody, does not make it easy for everybody.
This is my last post to the matter, i will try to have it done ASAP.
Edit: Oh now you think i am giving impression that i am something better or more important than most of you here? Oh gosh
@: Ollfardh: there is no deadline.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 28-05-2015 09:04
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| Ollfardh |
Posted on 28-05-2015 09:14
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Yeah ok, no deadline. Let's call it a reasonable amount of time
Changed my sig, this was getting absurd.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2015 09:38
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There's no deadline as I prefer not to set them. They can generally be seen as 'as soon as possible' though.
If you're busy it's fine, just say you're busy. If you want to just submit the first few months of the season for now then just ask - a couple of teams did that last week, as they knew they'd have little to no internet access for a week or more.
The main point is that you should blame the lack of completed planner on being busy, and not on the fact that you haven't been given enough time within the game. That's why I disagreed with DubbelDekker's point on being 'rushed'. If his post had only been "Having a very busy work week. Probably wont have time to take a proper look at this before the weekend." then I would not have commented.
And yes, when you throw in lines about 'kids and students' it does risk sounding like you think you are superior to others - even when I assume it is not intended to.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 28-05-2015 11:25
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The team size is 8 for every race except some of the TT classics. Remember that you must send at least 6 riders to each races.
Just a little confused by these two contradicting statements. Last year I sent 8 riders to every race so I didn't encounter this problem but this year I can't unless I want to end up wasting 6 RDs on a flat stage race for one of my climbers. I'm guessing that the second statement is the one to be followed, rather than the first? i.e. the team size is 6-8, not just 8?
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| roturn |
Posted on 28-05-2015 11:30
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8 is the maximum team size allowed.
6 is the minimum you must sent as you won`t be able to participate there otherwise.
For TT classics this does not count. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 28-05-2015 13:08
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If you can send 8 then you should - even if it means climbers to flat races. Of course it's not always possible with race clashes or race day limits, but 6 is the absolute minimum, to prevent team lineups being too small in a race.
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 28-05-2015 14:03
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Stromeon wrote:
The team size is 8 for every race except some of the TT classics. Remember that you must send at least 6 riders to each races.
Just a little confused by these two contradicting statements. Last year I sent 8 riders to every race so I didn't encounter this problem but this year I can't unless I want to end up wasting 6 RDs on a flat stage race for one of my climbers. I'm guessing that the second statement is the one to be followed, rather than the first? i.e. the team size is 6-8, not just 8?
The maximum team size is 8, the minimum is 6. So you are correct in that you must send between 6-8 riders to every race. Though I agree with SN, if you can send 8 you probably should (wasting 6 racedays on flats is better than having 6 unused racedays).
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 29-05-2015 14:16
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Mines in now sorry for the delay just a generally busy week in the real world |
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 30-05-2015 14:15
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So... where do we stand at the moment?
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