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| roturn |
Posted on 23-03-2015 13:40
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Not sure what led to this decision of DD, but i am quite happy he did make that one, seeing i was the last to promote 
Unfortunately none of you also denied.  |
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 23-03-2015 13:55
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roturn wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Not sure what led to this decision of DD, but i am quite happy he did make that one, seeing i was the last to promote
Unfortunately none of you also denied.
No man Roturn, I know you're actually super excited to be racing with the Africans in PCT.
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| roturn |
Posted on 23-03-2015 13:59
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aidanvn13 wrote:
roturn wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Not sure what led to this decision of DD, but i am quite happy he did make that one, seeing i was the last to promote
Unfortunately none of you also denied.
No man Roturn, I know you're actually super excited to be racing with the Africans in PCT.
Well, I find PCT interesting, exciting and should have my best ever PCT squad now with my talents starting to max out. With the additional race planning in PCT and my experience in this section so far, I hope to find the best suitable races for my leaders and still get some chances to let my talents lead (in especially Krieger and Olivier obviously).
Not sure though if I will ride many African races. All depends on profiles I guess. |
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Posted on 23-03-2015 13:59
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Wow! Two of the best established USA based teams have folded. My first year in the ManGame Dave was a mentor for me and I will miss him.
Looks like the PCT will be stronger than ever in 2015. With so many disbanding teams this transfer season is setting up to be EPIC.
I cannot wait now.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 23-03-2015 14:03
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Mhaley45 wrote:
Looks like the PCT will be stronger than ever in 2015. With so many disbanding teams this transfer season is setting up to be EPIC.
No, EPIC is going to EPIC, this will be Epic!... epic right!
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 23-03-2015 21:41
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jt1109 wrote:
Awesome to see Avin and Jph promote really happy about that though surprised Gazelle declined promotion really love to here what DD has to say about that.
Here are some of the arguments that together caused me to make this decision:
- I really like PCT and think it is more fun than PT, because there's more strategy and specialization involved.
- My goal is to earn promotion by winning it or at least finishing top 3.
- Gazelle isn't about nationality, but about hills, cobblestones and breakaways. In PT you can't do that. I don't want to destroy the identity of the team after just two seasons.
- I think Gazelle currently lacks the foundation to be PT-worthy. I need more time to diversify the team and bring in some young leaders, who will be our backbone in the future.
- The team has many youngsters who would benefit from another year in PCT.
- I knew my place would be taken by either La Vie, Meiji or Metinvest and those are all seasoned managers who would be a great addition to PT.
Congrats to all who promoted! Looking forward to another thrilling season.
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| Scorchio |
Posted on 24-03-2015 00:23
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Makes total sense DD, an admirable decision supported by the logic presented.
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| Roman |
Posted on 24-03-2015 00:28
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DubbelDekker wrote:
- Gazelle isn't about nationality, but about hills, cobblestones and breakaways. In PT you can't do that. I don't want to destroy the identity of the team after just two seasons.
Well, I have to disagree. Teams like Good Energy and Pokerstars finished in the top 5 even without any great climbers or even without no climbers at all. If you would make a superb team around hills and cobbles, I believe you could have a really successful team with your team strategy even in PT as well. 
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-03-2015 06:33
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DubbelDekker wrote:
jt1109 wrote:
Awesome to see Avin and Jph promote really happy about that though surprised Gazelle declined promotion really love to here what DD has to say about that.
Here are some of the arguments that together caused me to make this decision:
- I really like PCT and think it is more fun than PT, because there's more strategy and specialization involved.
- My goal is to earn promotion by winning it or at least finishing top 3.
- Gazelle isn't about nationality, but about hills, cobblestones and breakaways. In PT you can't do that. I don't want to destroy the identity of the team after just two seasons.
- I think Gazelle currently lacks the foundation to be PT-worthy. I need more time to diversify the team and bring in some young leaders, who will be our backbone in the future.
- The team has many youngsters who would benefit from another year in PCT.
- I knew my place would be taken by either La Vie, Meiji or Metinvest and those are all seasoned managers who would be a great addition to PT.
Congrats to all who promoted! Looking forward to another thrilling season.
That sounds like some good reasoning and i will be last to complain about your decision.
I ill follow Gazelle as one of the favourites for PCT top5 then. 
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| SotD |
Posted on 24-03-2015 08:21
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I have a huge amount of respect for that decision DD. I am looking forward to having a nice chat during the off season yet again, and hope you will promote in style next season. I think you will, BTW.
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| Smowz |
Posted on 24-03-2015 08:40
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It's a difficult one. It should be the absolute ambition of any team to wish to promote to the big leagues. Certainly you could argue that sponsors/riders would be less than impressed by a decision to stay in the Continental ranks and thus deny them a chance to ride in the 'bigger' races.
Tactically it does seem to make more sense for Gazelle to remain in the PCT and given that Metinvest and Meiji have been in the game for a bit longer they possibly deserve the spot more.
It's a fair decision in this case I think, Gazelle have done brilliantly in two seasons to be where they are and will be an interesting team to follow next year amongst the other super teams in PCT.
Personally I would love to see some other teams overtake them and perhaps then Gazelle may regret that decision to spurn the chance of promotion when they had it?
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 24-03-2015 09:34
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Smowz wrote:
It's a difficult one. It should be the absolute ambition of any team to wish to promote to the big leagues. Certainly you could argue that sponsors/riders would be less than impressed by a decision to stay in the Continental ranks and thus deny them a chance to ride in the 'bigger' races.
We have Europcar as an example from real life so it's not completely out there.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-03-2015 09:39
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Well Europcar did go WT until they ran out of money
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 24-03-2015 09:45
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Well Europcar did go WT until they ran out of money
After having refused for a couple of years, so no different really.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 24-03-2015 09:49
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Real Life is somewhat different because there is no standardised Relegation/Promotion system like we have in the Man-Game. To me it's not a good comparision at all.
I understand DD's decision even if i don't agree with it. Though a large part of me wants 6-7 teams to finish ahead of Gazelle this season for the laugh
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 24-03-2015 10:20
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Thanks for replying DD and giving a detailed explanation to your decisions it's always great to know what's going through a managers head when making these.
A few of your points I strongly agree with such as PCT being more fun strategy wise and I get were you are coming from wanting to win the division.
I also understand you want your young riders to progress though I don't understand how that would stop you in PT as you could get your level 3 talents to a 4.70+ and then be able to max them in PCT if you were to relegate
The last point though I disagree with I don't feel you as a manager should feel you are inferior in your right to promote because someone has been around longer then yourself, I feel most manager here have a lot to offer the game and I feel everyone, regardless of how long they have been here should feel they can contribute to whatever division they are in. If not we may as well promote people based on how long they have been here.
Anyway I guess this year we will see if it is a wise move which I am inclined to feel it will be based on your track record so far. |
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| Atlantius |
Posted on 24-03-2015 10:31
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Real Life is somewhat different because there is no standardised Relegation/Promotion system like we have in the Man-Game. To me it's not a good comparision at all.
I understand DD's decision even if i don't agree with it. Though a large part of me wants 6-7 teams to finish ahead of Gazelle this season for the laugh
True. It was more directed at the argument that all teams always want to ride at the highest division. After all the team didn't finish on an automatic promotion spot.
I can understand why a team would want to be ready before promoting. No matter if it's Europcar IRL or a sub-top MG PCT team.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 24-03-2015 10:43
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Atlantius wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
Real Life is somewhat different because there is no standardised Relegation/Promotion system like we have in the Man-Game. To me it's not a good comparision at all.
I understand DD's decision even if i don't agree with it. Though a large part of me wants 6-7 teams to finish ahead of Gazelle this season for the laugh
True. It was more directed at the argument that all teams always want to ride at the highest division. After all the team didn't finish on an automatic promotion spot.
I can understand why a team would want to be ready before promoting. No matter if it's Europcar IRL or a sub-top MG PCT team.
All other arguments aside, I think the most important factor is the final rule I read somewhere among these threads: have fun. This is just a game so if DD doesn't want PT, why should he be denied of that. It doesn't hurt anyone |
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 24-03-2015 11:53
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Thanks for the kind words, gents!
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Well, I have to disagree. Teams like Good Energy and Pokerstars finished in the top 5 even without any great climbers or even without no climbers at all. If you would make a superb team around hills and cobbles, I believe you could have a really successful team with your team strategy even in PT as well. Wink
Fair enough. Those teams are indeed quite similar to mine. Just one major difference: they have sprinters. But you are probably right that specialization can be viable in PT, despite having no control over which races you ride.
Smowz wrote:
Personally I would love to see some other teams overtake them and perhaps then Gazelle may regret that decision to spurn the chance of promotion when they had it?
TMM wrote:
I understand DD's decision even if i don't agree with it. Though a large part of me wants 6-7 teams to finish ahead of Gazelle this season for the laugh Smile
Haha, yeah that would be the most compelling storyline of course. Will try hard to avoid it though.
jt wrote:
The last point though I disagree with I don't feel you as a manager should feel you are inferior in your right to promote because someone has been around longer then yourself, I feel most manager here have a lot to offer the game and I feel everyone, regardless of how long they have been here should feel they can contribute to whatever division they are in. If not we may as well promote people based on how long they have been here.
True, this one differs from my other arguments. The others are all reasons for the decision, this point is just something that was reassuring to me after making the decision. It was simply nice to know that it was going to be an active manager with enough experience to handle the responsibilities of having a PT team.
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 25-03-2015 12:34
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Sad to see so many teams disband, but congratulations on those receiving 'surprise promotions', nice to see some of my fellow CT managers gain an unexpected promotion, although I have to wonder whether that's a good idea for some of the lower ranked teams. Looks like I was one ranking spot off promotion in the end which is quite funny considering how terrible we were this season, but it wouldn't have been the best thing for the team.
Also, transfer season gonna be crazy (again ) - Madrazo, Cunego, Phinney, Pluchkin, Sicard, Tenorio, Burghardt, Claeys, van Garderen, Bennati, Fiedler and many more all up in the FA market!
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