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| ruben |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:33
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Jesleyh wrote:
ruben wrote:
What I do like though, is that Cyanide is using the full scale of their stat system
So finally 85/84 as maximums.
Should be something to look at for PCM Daily as well
True, but with lots of riders at 80+ MO, my hypothesis would be that the groups at mountain stages would be too big.
And wasn't it just MO & HI that have a higher scale, with SP, COB and TT still low? (Haven't got the game yet, just think I saw that)
your hypothesis has already been proven wrong by many other db's that use the max..
PPDB for instance has a zillion 80+ climbers. Works just fine. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:46
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admirschleck wrote:
Moving scale to 84 (so 1+ from the current one) is definitely an interesting idea, but I think that moving it to 85 is way too much. That basically means rider does not have any room for improvement more, which I think isn't realistic at all.
Why the improvement? When somebody is already the best climber (e.g. Quintana) he can be 85, as he does not need room for improvement. He cant improve from best to best best best...
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:50
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Of course he can. Let's say that Quintana is probably the best climber and he wins the Tour with 1 minute. However, he comes back next year and wins the Tour with 10 minutes of advantage against the same competition. Is it the same? Of course it isn't.
Some riders are maybe the best in the world in some discipline, but most of them aren't on their limits even then, remember that.
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:50
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
admirschleck wrote:
Moving scale to 84 (so 1+ from the current one) is definitely an interesting idea, but I think that moving it to 85 is way too much. That basically means rider does not have any room for improvement more, which I think isn't realistic at all.
Why the improvement? When somebody is already the best climber (e.g. Quintana) he can be 85, as he does not need room for improvement. He cant improve from best to best best best...
only trap can be that you have to be sure he'll be top for years (until he starts regressing at 32). Like a Boonen that is top for 10 years.
If you give a rider 84/85 too easily, he'll be the best for years were in real life he isn't.
With Quintana you can be pretty sure tho  |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:51
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If you're right, it's still nicer to have him at 85 from the start, then.
Maybe he would win with 10 minutes in real life, but on PCM it would be a boring gameplay  |
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| Mica10 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:56
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Rui Costa should have more mountain and hills |
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| Mica10 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:56
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Rui Costa should have more mountain and hills |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 19-06-2014 11:58
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How it is nicer to have him on 85 from the start? He definitely wouldn't be on the same level over next few years, especially considering he's young now. And that's why you should always leave at least one stat space for a developement.
In single stage/stage-race mode, using 85 stats scale would be fine. However, career mode wouldn't be realistic then.
Also, PCMdaily's DB main goal isn't to make gameplay interesting, but realistic.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 19-06-2014 12:01
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You do forget that others decline, though. Froome and Contador will decline while Quintana will stay 85 for a long time.
Also, secondary stats increase and play a vital role!
But I do agree that 84 is better than 85, leave at least 1 stat for improvement. |
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| Stromeon |
Posted on 19-06-2014 12:02
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Zaugg 77 MO
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 19-06-2014 12:03
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admirschleck wrote:
How it is nicer to have him on 85 from the start? He definitely wouldn't be on the same level over next few years, especially considering he's young now. And that's why you should always leave at least one stat space for a developement.
In single stage/stage-race mode, using 85 stats scale would be fine. However, career mode wouldn't be realistic then.
Also, PCMdaily's DB main goal isn't to make gameplay interesting, but realistic.
Realistic? It is PCM, good joke. 
Also when you see stories and career discussions, majority does not want reality, but to win multiple times again and again.
Also i dont think it is big difference if someone is 84 or 85 if he has at least average potential. He will be 85 anyway in less than a year.
84 for the best is okay enough, but Daily is giving 81-82 to best hilly riders iirc? That is one of the reasons i play with other databases for last couple of years.
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| florian96 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 13:19
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If someone is operating at the max. human possible watts in the mountains a 85 mountain rating isn't that wrong.
But sure for the career mode it's a little bit boring.
I always asked Cyanide for a decreasing of the stats when you not train them. But as far as I know it looks like we won't see something like this on PCM2014.
Edited by florian96 on 19-06-2014 13:20
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| mtuborg |
Posted on 19-06-2014 14:15
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People who spended at ton of cash on legendaries in armada must be pissed about this.
Who cares about legendaries, when froome is better than the best legendary(armstrong) you can get? |
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| Jesleyh |
Posted on 19-06-2014 14:19
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Hmm, you have a good point there, mtuborg.
Armada mountain stages will be more open anyway in PCM 14, with lots of guys around 80. Could give some epic battle if there's no topclimber.
Edited by Jesleyh on 19-06-2014 14:21
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| tellico |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:00
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IMHO the most important is not what value is in particular attribute (well, for Armada does) but how many of the riders included in the wide range of this attrib. E.g. when Froome has 85 and Talansky 77 this year Dauphine action is IMPOSSIBLE no matter all. For me most important is to find the happy medium between situation when favourites are winners and best day form races are winners. So, such differences in attributes are wrong. Situation when Froome=83, Contador=83, Nibali=82...Talansky = 79 are MUCH better for long career game than Froome = 85, Contador = 83, Nibali =81... Talansky = 76. At least for the moment when Cyanide will develop a good system fluctuations attributes (drop&rise attrib in time or something like yearly form factor, i dont know)
Edited by tellico on 19-06-2014 16:01
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:12
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i've heard daily form is much more important
so talansky at +5 could beat Froome at -3 |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:15
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Correct me if I am wrong, but lets say Froome also gets injured during the PCM14 Dauphine, well that will have an impact on his stats\form\whatever, yeah?
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| maxime86 |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:18
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gallopin 78 hill
*goes to buy PCM 2014* |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:18
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It will have an impact on his performance, his stats will not change because of an injury or illness. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 19-06-2014 16:23
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Cheers. I knew it was something like that, I haven't exactly been keeping on top every fine detail.
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