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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2014 06:18
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WTF, why are riders with 71+ (and some with 75+) hills dropped in stage like that? Because of strong leadout or they just sit there like stupid sheeps? That should never happen. There is no word in the report about how that gap was created or i missed that? I hope it will force Grosu and Pakthusov to make some moves the other days.
Pretty disappointing sprint by Hoffman, but it seems he was blocked almost whole sprint behind Richeze and then Mandri, Metinvest is thinking about puting a protest for unffair action. 
Congrats to Gazelle, Oss somehow found the way to get out of blockade and capitalized
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2014 06:28
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[b]FroomeDog99 wrote:
I don't get why Wegmann (and the likes of Bellis) don't sprint while OSS and Gatto can get top threes[/b]. Frustrating that there's no effort.
Ben Nasser will need to repeatedly save my team this year I think.
It seems like completely random. The dice is thrown and one rider sprints, other rider is just sitting and watching what happens. 71hill/76sprint Grosu is just rolling for time loss and 85th place, while he should try to lead out Hoffman or go for himself...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-04-2014 06:30
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 09:27
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Disappointing stage. Expected a top 10. At least Hategeka didn't lose time. Strange that Day or Van Heerden didn't sprint. I don't quite understand the logic.
Hoping for a break on stage 2. Yves Ngue Ngock to win after a successful break 
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| tyriion |
Posted on 24-04-2014 10:14
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We're so far out of it. It's just sad how uninvolved my riders seem to be. Trentin should be able to do better, but he's been visible nowhere, neither TdU nor these first 2 stages.
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| tsmoha |
Posted on 24-04-2014 10:29
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Good result for Bobridge. Too bad they kicked that late though. Feels like a missed chance to create a gap. Hoping for him to continue like that. Maybe attack earlier instead bunch sprinting, which is too much of a lottery.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2014 10:39
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tyriion wrote:
We're so far out of it. It's just sad how uninvolved my riders seem to be. Trentin should be able to do better, but he's been visible nowhere, neither TdU nor these first 2 stages.
It has to be frustrating seeing Oss winning when stronger rider Trentin does not care about result at all. 
About 2nd stage, very nice report Admir, but i will skip broader comment on the results, bar congratulating the wiiner Skuijins and Swedbank, because our best rider finishing 58th and Grosu 90th without giving a fuck does not need comment. Bellis or Bobridge would have it in the bag, if the riders actually care about where the finish is, instead of sightseeing...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 24-04-2014 10:40
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 11:27
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My team at last showing they have form Bellis 2nd Houle 6th and Anderson 12th and trying to chase as well it's all looking good, just need some bonus seconds on the next stages |
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 24-04-2014 13:06
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Impressive win by Skujins; congrats!
I'm glad we're still blessed with an active role in this race. Monfort is looking sharp again and he's doing well in the "same time wars".
Indeed some strong riders dropping/not caring again. It seems like the game generates behaviour lists with some predetermined maximum amount of riders on it. Anyone not on the "Good GC", "Stage success", "Break of the day" or "KoM/Points jersey" list gets shut down and just peddles along. (unless they have domestique duty)
Whether a rider makes the cut to get his name on a certain list seems to depend on a combination of stats, role within their own team and luck, but also on the role their team plays in the race. For example:
When Weening and Oss went into zombie mode in TdU, it was pretty clear that my team was assigned a "Break of the day" role. My lesser riders were constantly joining long range breakaways, while my 'leaders' did nothing.
Allianz' current problem looks like the team is in "Sprint team" mode, because Richeze is one of the best sprinters (on pure SP/ACC) here.
In other words: it looks like the race AI uses a top-down approach. It determines the actions and behaviours it wants to see and then picks the riders and teams to fill those roles.
To make a plausible simulation of a cycling race, bottom-up seems like a better idea. Take the ambitions of every single rider in the race (after taking team tactics into account) and let it unfold from there. This is much more difficult to develop though. Cyanide would probably screw it up badly.
Edited by DubbelDekker on 24-04-2014 13:10
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 24-04-2014 13:36
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Nice "anylysis" DD, i agree with your thoughts, also on last sentence.
Because of that, one rider can be super agressive and always at front in one race and super zombie in other one.
We can only hope that T-Photoon and others in his team + community will develop us better cycling simulation in distant future. (i dont believe Cyanide would be ever capable of that, bar some miracle changes in the company
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 24-04-2014 13:49
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Nice win for Skujins indeed! This is a much better level for him to ride at than just a support role in PT this year, good to see him already bringing in the results.
And for Dowsett, it is much more promising here that he is getting involved in the sprints and being towards the front. Fingers crossed some actual gaps will emerge at some point, and he will be at the forefront of that.
In terms of frustrations of same over their riders, with so many good and similar riders in the DB, I guess it is inevitable that some will disappoint. Thewre's never any guarantee that PCM AI will work perfectly with the MG stats matrix!
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| DubbelDekker |
Posted on 24-04-2014 14:41
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SportingNonsense wrote:
with so many good and similar riders in the DB, I guess it is inevitable that some will disappoint.
That is true, but I think everyone is aware of the huge competition they are facing. If important riders were trying to achieve and failed, their managers would be disappointed, but I'm quite sure they would not complain. Failing is part of the game.
What makes it so frustrating is the complete lack of ambition shown by these riders (and sometimes even entire teams). It feels worse than just failing and I think it's quite understandable that people get upset over it.
I'm not trying to declare a crisis here though. Over the entire season every team will get to deal with this and we're simply going to get used to the fact that this is now part of the game. But while it's still new, we sure are going to be talking about it.
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| cio93 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 14:59
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Felline!
Sadly no bonus seconds which could've made a difference in the end, but I won't complain about some nice points and the assurance that he can keep Gautier behind on such an uphill sprint.
Kelderman was kinda passive and luckily not missed a split, but his ambitions have to change for stage 4 if he wants to be around with the best afterwards.
Strange that Bol was our second best rider here, but he looks good for a Top 20 or so now.
Edited by cio93 on 24-04-2014 15:00
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| viking90 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 15:29
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That was nice Skujins, exciting race! I was a bit afraid he would be caught the last few metres
Just found a error in the DB, it says that Ekh Dahlberg is the Swedish NC but in fact it was Max Öste-MacDonald who won that race, not a big deal for me just wanted to point that out. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 15:59
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4 in the top 30 who haven't lost time and Gautier going well. Wish he'd done a Skuijns but there's still time and he looks in decent form. Hoping for points from our depth |
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| fintas |
Posted on 24-04-2014 16:37
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I do not understand what's going on with my team, does nothing throughout the race and in the end manage to lose time, including Rocchetti that has 75HI.
At Least McEvoy continues with the possibility of getting a good result
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 24-04-2014 17:08
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'My team finally acts smart-ish... Kono and Puusepp up front, and Vorganov leaving a gap
Now Vorganov to attack please...
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| FroomeDog99 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 17:17
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Repeated attacks are nice, results are better. Hopefully things will still break up come the tougher stages, nice that we've still got a couple of decent riders in the main group. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 17:19
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Underwhelming stage to say the least. Disappointed that my team didn't chase the breakaway back considering we have 4 riders above 70 Hill not including Zaini that could have brought it back and in the end, brought a better result. Hoping for better later in the race
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| aidanvn13 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 18:19
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1. Get in the break, dammit!
2. Attack Hategeka!
On a different note, I had an interval session on the final climb of the race (The Old Helshoogte Pass - stage 6). Ascended it 6 times. The climb is relatively flat and not all that steep. I'm pretty sure we won't see many gaps with PCM.
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| Firefly21 |
Posted on 24-04-2014 18:35
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Well, I guess...at least Vastaranta hasn't lost time.
Beyond that, pretty anonymous for us so far
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