PT Giro della Valle D'Aosta(real) - A fun, mountain-heavy stage-race. Tour of Northern Europe(Fantasy) - Just a cool stage-race that covers nearly everything, except for mountains. Tour of Mount Fuji(Fantasy) - Japanese stage-race with a 11km TT, 2 flat stages, and 2 summit finishes on Mt.Fuji(One North side and one South side) One of the cool Aussie races Tsmoha made -> So much cool Australian races. I'd definitely include one of them, preferably a hilly one with a TT. I like the Tour of Perth, but anything will do. World Ports Classic -> At least the sprinters have a chance of winning a stage-race as well then. Plus echelons. Plus Dutch. Tour of Vancouver -> Another mountainous stage, but climbers that suck on the hills are in advantage here, since there are no hills at all. A mountain TT to start, and 2 summit finishes later in the race as well, and it ends with a 24km TT. 3 Flat stages in between.
CT Vuelta a Colombia - 2010 Route(real) -> 15 days mountainous race, with a TT & TTT as well, to make it a nice GT-ish race for CT. Rheinland - Pfalz Tour -> Just a cool replacement-ish race for Bayern. Except for having a TTT. Italian Mountain -> This one is weird. 2 stages. 1st is 5 times Zoncolan, and second is a Scanuppia summit finish, but the downhill to the Scanuppia is cobbled Tour of Man -> Cool, hilly stage-race in Great Britain. Sibiu -> Just loving this one, having two short TTs and 2 mountains. Tour of Taiwan -> Not sure why, I'm just liking this one. Just flat and hilly, but one of the hilly stage has a cobbled part close to the finish, which I find pretty nice. Settimana Cyclista Lombarda -> Screw TTs and flat stages. 3 climbing stages, yay! Another Aussie race made by Tsmoha -> Those Aussie races are simply so cool. I'd suggest a longer one here, with both mountains and hills.
Ventoux Classic -> Just sounds a decent idea in my eyes. A long classic(took a TdF variant which had a 240km Ventoux stage), so STA will come into play. La Jurassaine -> Similair to the Ventoux classic, also a mountainous classic. This one involves way more climbing though, and has a downhill close to the finish. If only 1 of the 2 mountain classics make the DB, it should be this one. IJsselmeer Classic -> Sprint challenge that goes around the IJsselmeer, the largest lake of the Netherlands. Stage itself looks good. The Sprint Pro Classics -> Loved by a lot of people. Could theoretically get WT as well, ofc. Also comes in a cobbled and hills version. 25 riders starting at the same time is a no-go though, so depends on how you like it. 24 riders, 8x3, is what I would suggest. Best two go through, and the final with 6 riders. Theoretically a minor final as well, with the 7-12th, for the rankings.
Just need to be run 4 times then, and since it's just ~4km, I'd say it wouldn't take a lot longer than Paris-Bordeaux. LLangywer Classic -> Nice, long, hilly stage. Might have taken this one from the ToB, I genuinly can't remember. A Double TT. Having 3 in store for you, a flat one, a hilly one and a mountainous one RideLondon -> Liking this one. Could be WT if you like, but CT will do. GP Pino Cerami -> Makes for interesting AI, having 4 tough cobbled hills. Roma Maxima -> 95% sure reduced sprint, in PCM at least. Those races have to be there as well. Giro dell'Appennio -> Lovely, open, Italian hilly classic.
Enough for now
Tried to get a lot of flat and hilly suggestions out, since those are neglected often, because the mountainous ones look cooler often.
Any WT race could also function in CT. Normally, that doesn't apply for the opposite(except for the Sprint Pro's), unless you think it does
Also, I've gathered the files from these suggestions myself, except for the ones already in the Daily DB.
Yes, it's big, but it saves you quite some time.
Oh, and I don't have much ideas yet, but I'd love to see Strade Bianche and either Dwaars or Omloop as WT races. Just to make competition and reward that much sweeter. Also, definitely get rid of Tour of Beijing like everybody requested. Edited by Shonak on 11-04-2014 20:54
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Jesleyh wrote:
Not a bad idea actually. Monuments are fixed on the calendar though, according to the first post.
But these are the Monument Crits, totally different and totally more insane. Would be fun to see them at either CT or U25 level, certain some riders would die
nacho63 wrote:
Was hoping EBH was going to have lower stats but he is actually quite good
Just that you know the db isn't finalised if you can give good reasons for stat changes they will be considered for sure.
Jesleyh wrote:
Not a bad idea actually. Monuments are fixed on the calendar though, according to the first post.
Yes Monuments and GTs, but for the GTs the route isn't fixed.
Thanks for that great list btw!
I just figured I made a small mistake with the average calculation, just that you know stage racers have a better average than displayed, so Froome has actually the same avg as Cancellara.
So if I justify a few downgrades for EBH and they get approved, no one is going to out bid me for him right guys? Edited by nacho63 on 11-04-2014 21:25
nacho63 wrote:
Was hoping EBH was going to have lower stats but he is actually quite good
Just that you know the db isn't finalised if you can give good reasons for stat changes they will be considered for sure.
Jesleyh wrote:
Not a bad idea actually. Monuments are fixed on the calendar though, according to the first post.
Yes Monuments and GTs, but for the GTs the route isn't fixed.
Thanks for that great list btw!
I just figured I made a small mistake with the average calculation, just that you know stage racers have a better average than displayed, so Froome has actually the same avg as Cancellara.
Ooh nice
My suggestions:
Giro d'Italia
variant Stylus Rovinj - Milano
An interesting variant - it's pretty balanced with a 50km flat ITT and just three summit finishes but several other difficult mountain stages. Also some good opportunites for sprinters as well as some interesting hilly stages.
Tour de France
Keep the 2013 route, it was good and most of the variants are either very unbalanced or are historical routes which somehow I don't think would really fit.
Vuelta a Espana
variant nathounet87 Albacete - Alto de los Leones
I really like this route, again fairly balanced (has a 50km flat ITT and a couple of descent finishes) plus some big proper mountain stages, rather than just _____/). The MTT on the last day should make things interesting as well.
Can i recommend either the 2010 Giro or TDF's? Giro route was pretty tough (an MTT, Zoncolan and some other tough stages) but had just enough TT for the more rouler types to have a chance. TDF was again mostly climber heavy (two times on the Tourmalet) but also had the cobbles early on to mess things up
TheManxMissile wrote:
Can i recommend either the 2010 Giro or TDF's? Giro route was pretty tough (an MTT, Zoncolan and some other tough stages) but had just enough TT for the more rouler types to have a chance. TDF was again mostly climber heavy (two times on the Tourmalet) but also had the cobbles early on to mess things up
did someone already remade those or can you just use the 2010 stage files (the 2010 TdF is a really good one, as the third stage was a great stage irl)
- A fun, mountain-heavy stage-race.
- Just a cool stage-race that covers nearly everything, except for mountains.
- Japanese stage-race with a 11km TT, 2 flat stages, and 2 summit finishes on Mt.Fuji(One North side and one South side)
-> At least the sprinters have a chance of winning a stage-race as well then. Plus echelons. Plus Dutch.
-> Another mountainous stage, but climbers that suck on the hills are in advantage here, since there are no hills at all. A mountain TT to start, and 2 summit finishes later in the race as well, and it ends with a 24km TT. 3 Flat stages in between.
-> This one is weird, but really epic. This race has gathered quite some fans, or at least that's what the replies to my Fantasy DB suggested 
-> A nice, very long, classic, originally from the Comic DB, just like the Paveé thingy. Very hilly, and also has a few short cobbled sections, to mess up the AI.
-> A WC variant that's long and hilly, and has great gameplay, at least when I played it. Could be used as one of the Ardennes classic for sure.
-> Just an ordinary sprint classic. Long enough to bring Stamina into play. Echelons might take place, not as likely as f.e the Tour of Qatar though. The surroundings are nice on this one.
-> This game just needs a mountain TTT. It really does!
-> Just a cool replacement-ish race for Bayern. Except for having a TTT. 
-> Cool, hilly stage-race in Great Britain.
-> Just loving this one, having two short TTs and 2 mountains.
-> Not sure why, I'm just liking this one. Just flat and hilly, but one of the hilly stage has a cobbled part close to the finish, which I find pretty nice.
-> Those Aussie races are simply so cool. I'd suggest a longer one here, with both mountains and hills. 
-> Similair to the Ventoux classic, also a mountainous classic. This one involves way more climbing though, and has a downhill close to the finish. If only 1 of the 2 mountain classics make the DB, it should be this one. 
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