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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 03-03-2014 13:16
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I am not sure if i find lurking around the database and pulling out the talents on public light okay. What sense does it have for me to try and find somebody who could be overlooked when you will write article about him? These articles can influence the price enormously. I like you initiave with Sound, but to be honest, pretty hate this actual one. 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 13:25
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I am not sure if i find lurking around the database and pulling out the talents on public light okay. What sense does it have for me to try and find somebody who could be overlooked when you will write article about him? These articles can influence the price enormously. I like you initiave with Sound, but to be honest, pretty hate this actual one.
It certainly won't cover all the possible good buys but yes it might bump the prices of some of them. It's part of the sport. To me it's no different to a team declaring interest in someone.
I could just trawl the DB and post all the possible talents in my team HQ as targets and that would have the same impact. At least this way it can be interactive and interesting. Plus i will be throwing some funny ones in, and some red-herrings to keep people awake
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| roturn |
Posted on 03-03-2014 13:29
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I must admit I also don`t like that a lot.
There are some talents/riders that might be under the radar without a closer look. By reading your article only it will help managers, that don`t spend a lot of time with the DB, while others, who are doing a lot of work there, lose that advantage.
I mean the obvious names, that you mentioned are well known to all of us. But in especially the less known shouldn`t be named imo. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 13:46
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I'd advise strongly against doing such a thing as suggesting any rider, or pointing out any possible hidden talent.
Managers have been warned and punished in the past for such things, just ask SotD
It's certainly not part of the man game.
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| SotD |
Posted on 03-03-2014 14:14
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rjc_43 wrote:
I'd advise strongly against doing such a thing as suggesting any rider, or pointing out any possible hidden talent.
Managers have been warned and punished in the past for such things, just ask SotD
It's certainly not part of the man game.
I don't remember being warned for that, but for other things such as pointing out a rider who was going to be sold too cheap according to other similar options, to avoid my personal bidding war to go balistics. And I realized that was a huge shit on the other manager who was about to win the bidding war (SN on that occasion).
I, however agree that it's a no go to post talents listed in public for everyone to see. Half the managers spent hours on end trying to find that bargain rider that they could get this season - and by listing those here the benefit of being very thorough in the DB vanish.
Even the bigger talents might be overlooked by some managers. No nead to headlight them.
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:10
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Is still see no difference between writing up a sentence on a rider here, and declaring interest on a rider in my HQ. Either way the name is public and anyone can then go research the rider in the db and then also look up similar riders.
If i posted a list of 20 talent targets in my HQ you wouldn't say it was unfair. I see other teams post their targets and i go and look them up in the db. From there i apply similar filters to the whole db and creat a list of alternatives. All that's happening here is cutting the middle step and just posting that list
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| Kentaurus |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:23
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This shouldn't be that hard. You shouldn't go digging in the DB just to find a rider for this article, this should be a off the top of the head thing. Something like saying.. Keep an eye on top Canadian talent Alexander Cataford, several sources have him linked to RBC Pro Cycling, but I wouldn't be surprised to see other teams try and get the young all-rounder as well.
-I used this as an example because RBC has listed Cataford as their top priority in his own Team HQ. Not like it is a hidden secret.
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:30
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Kentaurus wrote:
This shouldn't be that hard. You shouldn't go digging in the DB just to find a rider for this article, this should be a off the top of the head thing. Something like saying.. Keep an eye on top Canadian talent Alexander Cataford, several sources have him linked to RBC Pro Cycling, but I wouldn't be surprised to see other teams try and get the young all-rounder as well.
-I used this as an example because RBC has listed Cataford as their top priority in his own Team HQ. Not like it is a hidden secret.
I think anyone that follows the Man-Game would be surprised i'm after him to be fair it doesn't bother me people knowing because i'll go bigger just because he's canadian though I have a few secret targets too so i'd say only right about guys that have been already spoken about in a teamHQ be a manager possibly? |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:41
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TheManxMissile wrote: So, even if it's a joke one, be different. Otherwise i'm gonna have to trawl the DB and ruin all the secret surprises
You have to admit you didn't really phrase what you were going to do in a particularly elaborate manner. Sure, posting what YOUR targets are is rather counter productive but is part of the fun of the game.
I took it to mean you were going to go out of your way to announce riders you had no interest in and just point them out to people too lazy to find them themselves.
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| fjhoekie |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:46
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2nd one doens't work, but if you visit twitter you'll see what I typed...
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| Mhaley45 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:55
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I would also advise you not to publish prospects hidden in the database. Last year I was tempted to do that for the free agent cobblers, but upon retrospection realized that would be grossly unfair to those who do the hard work. Giving the lazy the work for free is not right.
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| The Rider |
Posted on 03-03-2014 15:56
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@ TMM - Maybe you could do something like ' The top 10 transfers in Man Game history?' relating to value as an alternative. 
I don't really see the benefit of anyone (especially PCT & CT teams) expressing their interest in underrated free agent targets this early on as it will do nothing but spike the price of these riders. However, I can understand some 'evil' people talking up the price of riders they won't necessarily go after! |
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| SotD |
Posted on 03-03-2014 16:07
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TheManxMissile wrote:
Is still see no difference between writing up a sentence on a rider here, and declaring interest on a rider in my HQ. Either way the name is public and anyone can then go research the rider in the db and then also look up similar riders.
If i posted a list of 20 talent targets in my HQ you wouldn't say it was unfair. I see other teams post their targets and i go and look them up in the db. From there i apply similar filters to the whole db and creat a list of alternatives. All that's happening here is cutting the middle step and just posting that list
I really don't think that's a good idea either. If the rider is fully developped then OK, I assume the harm isn't so big, but when the rider isn't fully developped it takes a little bit of effort to know what you get, and no matter if the rider is publiced here or there doesn't matter much to me - I don't think it's suitable either way.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 03-03-2014 17:11
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From the transfer season rules:
11. You are not allowed to suggest that another manager should bid on, or look at, a certain rider in the first week of transfers. In the 2nd week of transfers, you can point out a rider only if they have not received any bids.
Pointing out free agents to others is not allowed in any form during the 1st week of transfers. So why should it not apply to before transfers too.
It beats me why anybody would post in their HQ specific riders they want, particularly posting them in some sort of ordered scale such as 'must have'. People who do that are just asking for trouble. Whether those posts fit under the rules is debatable, but I definitely don't see it as a good idea to write an article to publicise available riders - especially with the intended emphasis on the lesser known names.
Riders from disbanding teams are more fair game for dicussion, but newly added riders of interest should be kept to yourself.
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| ggDonovan |
Posted on 03-03-2014 17:31
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@TMM
Why don't you this but just with riders under contract?
I'm sure most of us have some targets that are actually riding for other teams.
This will generate some debate and won't spoil anything.
Like...
Two teams are considering to send an offer to Santander to adquire Madrazo. The bid could go to 5 millions. Santander refuses to negotiate for less than 8M
This could be fun 
Edited by ggDonovan on 03-03-2014 17:33
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 19:23
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SportingNonsense wrote:
From the transfer season rules:
11. You are not allowed to suggest that another manager should bid on, or look at, a certain rider in the first week of transfers. In the 2nd week of transfers, you can point out a rider only if they have not received any bids.
Pointing out free agents to others is not allowed in any form during the 1st week of transfers. So why should it not apply to before transfers too.
It beats me why anybody would post in their HQ specific riders they want, particularly posting them in some sort of ordered scale such as 'must have'. People who do that are just asking for trouble. Whether those posts fit under the rules is debatable, but I definitely don't see it as a good idea to write an article to publicise available riders - especially with the intended emphasis on the lesser known names.
Riders from disbanding teams are more fair game for dicussion, but newly added riders of interest should be kept to yourself.
Now i don't wish to come off as bitter or angry here but i'd say there have been a fair few things that could potentially push up prices of either certain riders, or certain regions.
Recently we had debates about the relative lack of teams from regions like Russia and Italy, which was followed by a couple of teams moving to focus on this area. Perhaps they identified this before the discussion, but perhaps not and went looking for a bargain they might have missed under normal circumstances. Equally by pointing out the relative lack of teams, or rather an abundance of rides from these regions, will have caused an increase in interest in those nationalities, and could very well lead to a wage increase thanks to the wider interest.
Also i still see no difference between writing about some riders in The Sound and writing about them in an HQ post. If i'm not allowed to do it here, i should not be allowed to do it there. I understand that here i was asking for submissions from other managers, and some have sent me a couple of riders that otherwise i would have not written about (but because searching the DB for talents is shockingly easy i had spotted them anyway). But they were happy to share some of that information and it is, partly, about personal opinion.
My intention here was not to purposefully show off the as yet unmentioned talents. I asked for all riders and then made a request for those who were not the big names everyone had already talked about. I didn't want to write about the fight for Rider X, and you would not have wanted to read about it. There would have been more interest in an article about Rider Y (a rider stated as leaving and with declared interest from a couple of teams). I would also not have been able to say much about those talents no-one had declared interest in. All i could have done was say "Hey look a talent no-one spotted, isn't that interesting!" and that not great writing or reading.
I think people have jumped upon a comment that wasn't serious and taken it as a personal mission to ruin some of the transfer season. As mentioned we all already know the fight for Rider K but that the fight for Rider M (mentioned by a couple of teams) is less well known and would be more interesting.
That rule above, i'd say, has been infringed to an extent already by some of the discussions. To avoid any more issues i'll drop the whole idea around current transfer happenings for an Issue of The Sound.
And to avoid any further problems i probably won't write another Issue until April when i imagine the season will have started (so i don't influence Renewals, Race Selection, Transfers or Race Planning)
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 20:52
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Also i feel a slight need to clarify something:
On Hold Until April because i'm now not going to have time to write an Issue for this weekend (partly why i was asking for community input) and then i will be focused on my 1 week research trip to New York at the end of the month, hence April for the next issue. Not because i am throwing a hissy or bitter, just because of logistics.
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| 547984 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 23:19
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SportingNonsense wrote:
It beats me why anybody would post in their HQ specific riders they want, particularly posting them in some sort of ordered scale such as 'must have'. People who do that are just asking for trouble.
This. I never fully understood that concept, and I feel it doesn't add too much to the game either. 
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 03-03-2014 23:26
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547984 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
It beats me why anybody would post in their HQ specific riders they want, particularly posting them in some sort of ordered scale such as 'must have'. People who do that are just asking for trouble.
This. I never fully understood that concept, and I feel it doesn't add too much to the game either.
However specifically bidding to force a manager into overpaying on a rider you had no interest in is also banned in the rules.
"10. Suspicious activity or foul play is not allowed. You can and will be punished if you do such a thing. We reserve the right to disqualify bids from a manager on a certain rider, to prevent deliberately antagonising bids."
Although it is hard to prove on the bigger name riders. Though i hope no-one in the game would stoop to such tactics
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 03-03-2014 23:28
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TheManxMissile wrote:
547984 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
It beats me why anybody would post in their HQ specific riders they want, particularly posting them in some sort of ordered scale such as 'must have'. People who do that are just asking for trouble.
This. I never fully understood that concept, and I feel it doesn't add too much to the game either.
However specifically bidding to force a manager into overpaying on a rider you had no interest in is also banned in the rules.
"10. Suspicious activity or foul play is not allowed. You can and will be punished if you do such a thing. We reserve the right to disqualify bids from a manager on a certain rider, to prevent deliberately antagonising bids."
Although it is hard to prove on the bigger name riders. Though i hope no-one in the game would stoop to such tactics
I think they mean they don't understand why you'd flag up your targets to other managers who may not have spotted them yet, or at least that's part of the reason why we've stayed relatively quiet about our targets so far.
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